The Last Word has almost no range. The damage drop off begins probably at the distance from your face to the screen. Just face it, there's no way to nerf The Last Word without making it to where no one will want to use it. It kills in three headshots like any other hand cannon and its signature perk that makes it exotic shouldn't be nerfed because it's the only thing it's got going for it. Also it has a mag size of 8. So you can get one kill per clip. If you were to increase reload time, it would be a reasonable nerf but in my opinion, it doesn't need one. As for Thorn: [quote]Let's consider some points shall we •The Thorn bounty is the hardest exotic bounty in the game. It requires the most time and skill out of the exotic bounties. Therefore, it is only for that theI don't think Thorn is OP. Let me make that clear. I believe the only thing left to balance the crucible is buffing the auto rifles. That's it. The best weapon be rewarded for the hardest task. •Red Death can kill a guardian at full health with two pulls of the trigger, just like Thorn. There's a counter. •The Last Word does 77 damage I think per headshot and there's a glitch where it can possible do around 111. That means the last word can two shot you and with the rate of fire being twice as fast as Thorn's, it's an easy counter. •Two [b][i][u]precision[/u][/i][/b] shots can kill someone when using Thorn. Let me ask you, doesn't a steady hand need to be rewarded when playing the crucible? If you allow a Thorn user to land two headshots on you, then you've been out played. You could have killed him first, dodged the bullets, or simply avoided the encounter. To blame your death on the gun is irresponsible, and frankly childish. Blaming your lack of skill on the opponents weapon. And yes you can say "Look at my KD! I have skill!" But if you lack the competence to interject one of those three methods, you have no skill. •If you want to get technical, it takes three headshots to kill someone with Thorn. Considering the burn will kill you with two headshots, allow about 3 seconds for the opponent to get off a couple of rounds at you. Considering the Thorn user didn't ambush you, you should be able to kill him before the burn kills you. Again, considering you have skill. •Thorn was meant to be a long to mid range weapon, rivaling that of some scout rifles. To nerf the range of Thorn would render the weapon useless, because that's where it was intended to excel. •Nerfing Thorn's signature perk would reduce the weapon down to a standard handcannon. Making it not worth the exotic slot. •Thorn isn't an RNG drop. You are welcomed to pick one up yourself since it's so "overpowered" in your eyes. If I were you, I'd pick one up instead of whining about it like a Christmas noob. •No land beyond, universal remote, three little words, red death and Hawkmoon can all kill you in two shots or less. And if you take in the glitch, so would the last word. So to say there isn't s counter for the weapon would be idiotic to say the least since I counted 6 weapons off of the top of my head that kills just as fast. •If you are going to nerf Thorn because of it two shoting people, by fairness, you should nerf the weapons mentioned in the previous bullet point. In conclusion, stop putting your head in the way of the poison daggers. Guaranteed 100% foolproof solution to your problem.[/quote]