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ursprünglich gepostet in: Destiny Questions #6 - Any questions?
12/4/2014 9:19:31 PM
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Is the Speaker the first Guardian? As in, the first person the Traveler ever revived? He must have been a Guardian at some point, since he has a Ghost. Are the Traveler and the Darkness sentient singularities, a la Peter F. Hamilton's [i]Night's Dawn[/i] series? Is Rasputin the source of the Vex? Did he perhaps [i]become[/i] the Vex, in a far-future time, then seek to insinuate himself/itself into an earlier timespace coordinate set? Why do the Hive only interact with the Fallen, when all other enemy races fight on at least two fronts? Is the Black Garden located inside the Traveler? (Note that it needn't be actually physically inside it, but more connected to it - think TARDIS interior vs exterior.) What was the black amorphous thing in the Black Garden, and what gives us reason to believe we actually hurt or killed it? All the fireworks could just as easily have been a diversion to let it leave, and this thing is supposed to be a god after all. Killing three of its minions is supposed to kill it? (Don't let YHVH know, he's only got two left.) Any information (over and above the Grimoire) on the Cabal? The in-game story makes them out to be these titanic, constantly-annoyed badasses, then you actually fight them and roll over them like speedbumps. Thanks!
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  • The Speaker was a very powerful Warlock from what I can tell, but I'm not sure if he was revived. It's easy to assume such, but I'm not sure. Him being the first would still make him very old, since he would have existed before Phannin, Dredgen Yor, and so many others. Many are speculating that he came with the Traveler in some way. I don't think so, especially due to the Light and Darkness being their sources of power. The Traveler has a physical shell, but what resides within (if anything) is hard to say. It could just be pure Light, but that doesn't seem likely, at least not just that. Rasputin was a Warmind. He is still active and is located underneath the Forgotten Shore in the Seraphim Vault. The Vex come from a different time, both preceding and ascending past our own. Fallen fight Hive and Vex Cabal fight Vex and ????? Vex fight Fallen and Hive Hive fight Fallen and ????? It's quite possible we'll see the Cabal and Hive fighting at some point. Still, I think it's more likely the Hive and Vex will fight (the Vex would want to eradicate them as they seem to want to do to us) and the Cabal (trying to control everything) are in the Twilight Gap, so I'm sure they've fought the Fallen (who wish to control Earth). Doubtfully. It's seemingly just a location inside Mars, but when is more of the question here. It's quite possible that it transcended time before we destroyed the Heart. Still, it's definitely not in the Traveler in my opinion. There's nothing to support that. That seemed to be a source of Darkness. It may never have been truly alive, but more a pawn of something greater. Almost like a scout/a creature creating an army. I think it's gone, but that doesn't mean it's over. The are extremely militaristic for a species. They want to control our solar system, possibly for the resources. Hope this helped.

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  • [quote]Doubtfully. It's seemingly just a location inside Mars, but when is more of the question here. It's quite possible that it transcended time before we destroyed the Heart. Still, it's definitely not in the Traveler in my opinion. There's nothing to support that.[/quote] I'm sure you've seen the pre-release concept art that had the Garden clearly depicted in a globular innerspace somewhere, MUCH smaller than Mars - unless there was a perfectly spherical artificial enclosure somewhere in Mars' crust. Also, key quote from the Stranger: "Find the Black Garden. Cleanse its Heart. Only then will your Traveler begin to heal." Speculation: The Garden is time-locked, as you mentioned and as the Ghost states can happen, before we fight the Heart. It's not in a specific set of timespace coordinates while under control of the Heart, but can impinge on other coordinates. In this case, the heart of the Traveler. Side/humor discussion. * Fallen: Mad Max? Harlock? Not entirely sure of the influences here. * Hive: Watered-down H.R. Giger stuff. Alien lite. * Cabal: WH40k Space Marines, pretty much copypasted. * Vex: Mass Effect Geth? 1970s-era Cylons? What do you think in terms of sci-fi influences?

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  • We've actually done full coverage on the races. Check out other posts in the group. It doesn't have to be in the entirety of Mars to be in it. There could have just been a much smaller space within. Ghost tells you you're back on Mars after you destroy the Heart, suggesting that you only left the "reality".

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  • [quote]Check out other posts in the group.[/quote] Forgive my lack of knowledge, but: how? I've clicked on your name and profile, and can't seem to find a "View All Posts" option.

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  • Yeah...I forgot that that feature no longer exists. Here's [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Clan/Post/65954/65229056/0/0]Enemies [/url]and here's [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Clan/Post/65954/64107297/0/0]What We Know[/url]. Tell me if you can't access them for some reason. Just to be safe, here are links you can definitely access, but try the other ones first and let me know if you can see them. [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/65229056/0/0]Enemies [/url] [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/64107297/0/0]What We Know[/url] I use the tags in this thread on all my main posts, so you can always click on one and browse through some stuff.

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  • Wow, that stuff - while very nice, and I appreciate you compiling it - is OLD. I don't think any of those art assets are still in use in the game, f.e. Acolytes (called Troopers in your post) look VERY different. Knights not so much, but still some visible changes. Thanks!

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  • Yeah, it's crazy how much the game has changed. I'll probably update it.

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