If they thought before raising the floor and not improving the loot system to create the much-needed incentive to deal with all this was going to keep people around, boy did they get a rude awakening.
The fact that the higher-ups thought all this was a good idea tells you what's wrong with them.
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Bearbeitet von Salty-47: 8/6/2024 5:57:06 PMI don't know. I dont think that someone who doesn't even play the game but thinks they can give valid input on things that they haven't even tried . It's almost like playing the game for only 2 days 3 to 4 years ago doesn't give you any sort of valid reason to complain about something that was just added to the game recently. But let me guess the response. To long didn't read or you'll just refuse to address the fact that you complain about a game you don't play and just lurk on the forums to do so.
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[quote]I don't know. I dont think that someone who doesn't even play the game but thinks they can give valid input on things that they haven't even tried . It's almost like playing the game for only 2 days 3 to 4 years ago doesn't give you any sort of valid reason to complain about something that was just added to the game recently. But let me guess the response. To long didn't read or you'll just refuse to address the fact that you complain about a game you don't play and just lurk on the forums to do so.[/quote] Hi, been playing for 9 years, I have over 35 seals, 1550 raid clears, and 500+ Sherpa runs. I've gilded conqueror multiple times. These changes suck. Go back to your castle, gatekeeper, few people agree with this troll.
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Yeah, few people agree with me, right. Also, if you've played that much and can't do the things in the game thats player error, which isn't bungiea fault. Also, how exactly am I gatekeeping anyone, and how exactly would bungie be gatekeeping anyone when you can start the same things I can so long as you've paid for the the dlc. No one is gatekept from anything unless they are making the choice not to do what they think someone else who isn't even playing with them is stopping them from doing. I would assume the fact that bungie hasn't changed what you're complaining about or changed dual destiny as the "solo" players complain about, that would mean a vast majority of the player base has either been doing or is still doing it so why would they change it.
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[quote]Yeah, few people agree with me, right. Also, if you've played that much and can't do the things in the game thats player error, which isn't bungiea fault. Also, how exactly am I gatekeeping anyone, and how exactly would bungie be gatekeeping anyone when you can start the same things I can so long as you've paid for the the dlc. No one is gatekept from anything unless they are making the choice not to do what they think someone else who isn't even playing with them is stopping them from doing. I would assume the fact that bungie hasn't changed what you're complaining about or changed dual destiny as the "solo" players complain about, that would mean a vast majority of the player base has either been doing or is still doing it so why would they change it.[/quote] That's not what I said in the OP. Go back and read it again.
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Why would I reply to what you originally said when I was replying to what you just said. It what way does that make sense.
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[quote]Why would I reply to what you originally said when I was replying to what you just said. It what way does that make sense.[/quote] Because what you said was so off the mark that I thought a reminder of what the convo was actually about would be helpful.
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Bearbeitet von Salty-47: 8/7/2024 12:37:53 AMOff the mark? You're complaining about the difficulty changes in your original post, which I addressed aren't even an issue, especially if you've been playing for 9 years and have done all that you claim. You called me gatekeeper when you're in full control of what you play, not me and not bungie. You claim no one agrees with me yet the things you and the same people who have been making weekly posts to complain about the same things each week and yet none of the stuff you and those people complain about has been changed or even addressed by bungie. It's almost like even they don't agree with you and those other people. Also, why is it that everyone who has a different opinion than you and the other complainers they are immediately toxic, trolls, gatekeepers, or elitists.
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[quote]Off the mark? You're complaining about the difficulty changes in your original post, which I addressed aren't even an issue, especially if you've been playing for 9 years and have done all that you claim. You called me gatekeeper when you're in full control of what you play, not me and not bungie. You claim no one agrees with me yet the things you and the same people who have been making weekly posts to complain about the same things each week and yet none of the stuff you and those people complain about has been changed or even addressed by bungie. It's almost like even they don't agree with you and those other people.[/quote] No, I'm complaining about how much less chill the game feels on the low end for no reason. I specifically used the word "chill". And I'm not wrong. People are leaving the game on droves because the game isn't fun anymore.
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Bearbeitet von Salty-47: 8/7/2024 12:43:37 AMThat must be why people are still playing game. Also, what proof do you have people are leaving in droves. If it's the steam charts for the game that only show pc players and doesn't show the console players. Or are you one of those people who think everyone who plays destiny once has to play it 24/7 and can't touch a different game ever. Also, just because you use the word "chill" doesn't mean you're not complaining about the difficulty which you are.
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[quote]That must be why people are still playing game. Also, what proof do you have people are leaving in droves. If it's the steam charts for the game that only show pc players and doesn't show the console players. Or are you one of those people who think everyone who plays destiny once has to play it 24/7 and can't touch a different game ever.[/quote] Where did I say everyone quit. I just said people are quitting in droves. Are you capable of following a conversation? You keep changing something I said into something entirely different, and it's kinda irritating how dumb it sounds.
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What are you talking about? What did I change? I never said you claimed everyone quit. I simply said basing your whole thing of people are leaving in droves can't even be proven by only 1 source that doesn't show the whole player count
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[quote]What are you talking about? What did I change? I never said you claimed everyone quit. I simply said basing your whole thing of people are leaving in droves can't even be proven by only 1 source that doesn't show the whole player count[/quote] Well first, I talked about not chill the game is and you changed it into "game hard get gud". Then I said people are leaving the game in droves and your argument was "people are still playing", which isn't what I was talking about. Not as many people are playing as there would be if the game was still fun. Being good at -5 strikes doesn't make you good at D2 dude. You need to calm down with this nonsense 😂
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Bearbeitet von Salty-47: 8/7/2024 1:01:33 AM[quote]"game hard get gud". [/quote] Not once did those words ever get said by me. Also, you do know the -5 power isn't a thing in strikes, right? The strikes just allow you to only be up to a certain power, and then being higher than that power doesn't provide any benefits. The -5 power is for raids and dungeons, which it has even been shown by bungie weeks ago that you can still be over the power cap up to +15 power, and it makes the -5 power unnoticeable. You do also know that every games player count drops and never stays at the same amount all the time. Also, if you didn't know the player counts in destiny, almost always drop after the first few weeks of a dlc and a new season. It's almost like people either want to play something else or just want to do the story content and that's it
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[quote][quote]"game hard get gud". [/quote] Not once did those words ever get said by me. Also, you do know the -5 power isn't a thing in strikes, right? The strikes just allow you to only be up to a certain power, and then being higher than that power doesn't provide any benefits. The -5 power is for raids and dungeons, which it has even been shown by bungie weeks ago that you can still be over the power cap up to +15 power, and it makes the -5 power unnoticeable. You do also know that every games player count drops and never stays at the same amount all the time. Also, if you didn't know the player counts in destiny, almost always drop after the first few weeks of a dlc and a new season. It's almost like people either want to play something else or just want to do the story content and that's it[/quote] Lol -5 is in strikes, raids, and dungeons. Relatively certain. Go back and read the twabs. I'm seeing a pattern here lol.
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You can be relatively certain all you want. The fact is that the only thing power related for strikes is that it has a cap of 1945, so anything above that doesn't benefit while doing them. What your thinking is a power decrease is the fact that the enemies in certain activities can have a higher power, but raids and dungeons are the ones that have a -5 power to them and you can still be up to +15 which negates the -5. Tells me to go and read things when you're the one that needs to fact check your own claims.
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[quote]You can be relatively certain all you want. The fact is that the only thing power related for strikes is that it has a cap of 1945, so anything above that doesn't benefit while doing them. What your thinking is a power decrease is the fact that the enemies in certain activities can have a higher power, but raids and dungeons are the ones that have a -5 power to them and you can still be up to +15 which negates the -5. Tells me to go and read things when you're the one that needs to fact check your own claims.[/quote] The cap doesn't matter. It's the offset that matters. Raids are 1950 with a -5 offset.
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So a -5 when you can be +15 over the raids and dungeons activity power, which means you're still +10 over the cap, so you're not really going to notice a -5 when still getting benefits of being over the activities power
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[quote]So a -5 when you can be +15 over the raids and dungeons activity power, which means you're still +10 over the cap, so you're not really going to notice a -5 when still getting benefits of being over the activities power[/quote] It was +20 over raids. Being -25 is definitely noticeable, especially when doing Sherpa runs with new players.
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It's in no way -25 when it's a -5. That would still be +10. Basic math isn't that hard
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Bearbeitet von AbsolutZeroGI: 8/7/2024 2:49:26 AM[quote]It's in no way -25 when it's a -5. That would still be +10. Basic math isn't that hard[/quote] +20 to -5 is a difference of 25 light levels dude. That's arithmetic.
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So basic math huh. So from a +20 to a -5, and you can be +15 to negate the -5, which turns it into a +10, so the actual change is just switching it from a +20 to a +10 which isn't horrible. Just slightly increases difficulty but doesn't make it impossible to do anything. With pantheon as the example, the further decreases in power for each week's run and contest mode raids are the only things that would actually put you at a decrease in power where over leveling does nothing
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Bearbeitet von Rev: 8/7/2024 7:02:11 AM20 - (-5) = 25. A difference of 25. If the activity is recommended 1950, then your effective power cannot exceed 1945. Previously, activities allowed us to over level our effective power by 20.
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Bearbeitet von Salty-47: 8/7/2024 7:08:19 AMWhy would you subtract the original change from +20 to a -5. Those 2 numbers replace each other and don't exist at the same time in the game. That's why, as I stated, it's from the original +20 and changed to as bungie themselves stated a -5 with up to +15 power over the activity cap being beneficial. So, the right math is still going to -5+15=10, so you have up to a power increase of +10 instead of the original +20. Am I the only person here who knows how to do basic math. +20 to -5+15=10 that is what the change was. Even using the math problem you used, if you add the +15 to it, guess what you get. +10
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Bearbeitet von Rev: 8/7/2024 7:10:48 AMThat's how you perform mathematical deltas. Let p = power cap. ∆p = (Final)p - (Initial)p (-5) - (20) = -25 I inversed the signs the last time.
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Bearbeitet von Salty-47: 8/7/2024 7:20:40 AMYou do realize you keep leaving out the whole part of the +15 power that is still active, right? I never said just going from the original +20 to the -5 wasn't a change of 25 power, but you and the other guy keep ignoring the fact that you are able to overlevel the activities that the -5 is in up to a +15. It's really not that hard to understand that going from 5 under the cap to adding 15 power at that point puts you at 10 over cap, which would be a +10. I'm not trying to get what the +20 to the -5 power is. I'm showing that with the -5 and adding up to the max you can be over the cap, which is +15 you are actual at a +10 so long as you are 15 over the power cap for the activity. The +20 doesn't exist in the game anymore for those activities, so using it is pointless, but even with it, you still get the same answer of a +10