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Question about Saint-14

So spoiler alert for the final mission of the fail safe quest. In the mission the vex conductor says he’s not the real saint 14 but just a clone. I know we went into the infinite forest and saved Saint, his body was also found dead too. I’m not much of a lore guy, but is Saint dead or alive? Or is the real Saint dead but this is a clone from the Infinite forest?
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  • Our saint was doomed to die and did in the original timeline, but we altered time and reality to pull a variant of him from a different timeline. Think season of undying, where we had to kill thousands of versions of the undying mind because the vex kept pulling variants of it through time to replace it.

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    • Alive but he is an exo so he was a copy of a copy ect before we saved him. An exo is a human mind copied into a machine body and the actual real person doesn't get transferred just copied. The original copy in deep stone facility. So saint is on reboot 14 as exos go insane and die if the human mind gets out of synch with the exo brain. Simply put he is a copy from an alternative timeline. The saint from our prime timeline still died. Exo stranger confirmed alternative timelines.

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      • Saint is alive, we rescued him. It’s paradoxical because actual legitimate time travel is involved. He had to die in the Forest, chronologically, before we went back to save him. If he had never died, we wouldn’t be saving him. We’d just have to find him and rescue him. But the fact that our Saint’s backstory involves him encountering us when he was younger requires we time travel. Thus proving we did time travel. He both died and lived. That’s why it’s a “perfect” paradox.

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        • There is a conversation between Osiris and Ana Bray in Season of the Seraph that touches on the topic of timelines: [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8nuo7i1jEo&list=PL0J0qIYpSETZ0eiXXz0PDSPZ8Nnoimwam&index=102]Heist Battleground: Mars | Complete: "The Events of Our Past Are Set"[/url] Changes to the past inside one timeline would not affect our own. Our past is set. The events of Season of Dawn revealed that different timelines could bleed into each other under certain circumstances. Furthermore, the Sundial used paracausality to power it, since something at its core was whispering. We were also connected to Saint through a causal loop since we are the ones who first saved him on Mercury and gave him Perfect Paradox. That connection allowed us to find and save him from his original killer later on. The point of divergence was at the moment where he would have died. Otherwise, he is still very much Saint-14. He's not from the Infinite Forest, because the Corridors of Time are a different place. We even found our tomb inside the Corridors of Time with the Ergo Sum sword laid upon it, after all. The lore entry from the Season Pass Sparrow gives us the Conductor's perspective on personhood. Specifically, they seem to consider our timeline to be the only one that matters, associated with their "Primary Query", whatever it is. To them, Vex simulations are just facsimiles. They are not the original, so they do not matter. To the Conductor, Saint-14 is "a copy of a copy of a copy" because we split the timeline by intervening at the moment of his death. To the Conductor, Saint-14 is just a doppelganger of the original and doesn't belong. That's my understanding of it, at least.

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          • Daddy-14 is a perfect paradox

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            • Bearbeitet von jhermannITJ: 6/25/2024 10:14:11 PM
              Forks are indistinguishable from the 'original'. Short Answer... we don't know. Probability suggests that BOTH Saint and US are copies of the original. Saint's role... in our instance, this is my theory, was to ensure the conflict with the Elikisni. Led by the Gardener's Geppetto. Likewise, Osiris was manipulated... not speaking to when Osiris was taken by Savathan or when he drank the black tea... though those are important moments in the narrative. By Sagira... another ghost created by the Gardener. And... OUR ghost. Who is a little different than every other ghost. Immaru knows where he came from... Zavala's ghost... Glint... they all have some understanding of where they came from.... Not our ghost. Our Ghost can't ... or couldn't remember.

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              • Something flew out of him after giving the whole im dead speech and he got back to normal after that so I'm sure it just was a saint time ghost. I'm just wondering who we are going to have to save next..

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              • He is both dead and alive. When we went into the infinite forest we 'saved' him but it was most likely an alternate timeline version of saint given Osiris did mention he looked into timelines similar to ours through the corridors. This would mean this Saint is both a fake and the real Saint as he is the real saint of his timeline but a fake in ours.

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