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10/26/2020 11:35:50 PM
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Managerie is basically all 4 leviathan raids in "easy matchmaking mode". All the mechanics are stupid easy and you literally can't fail. That's how much you have to dumb it down to make raids accessible to random players with no voice comms.
Matchmaking in a raid has been, is currently, and will always be a bad idea. Sorry. It's simply not possible for 6 random people who aren't talking (and may not even have a mic) to drop in and complete the objectives.
Making it easy enough to do so is the same hand holding Bungo has done for years that made basically all the rest of the content in this game so easy that it becomes boring.
Look at gambit. They have it built in such a way that you can literally not bank a mote and after they get a primevil, you can bank, making their boss fight harder, and invade every 4 seconds (hyperbole to prove a point). The game punishes you for playing the objective to make it easier for the other team to "come back and win".
Managerie was fun for a bit, but it's so boring to go through now, especially when you have new lights who don't know the activities and it takes you 5-6 rounds to get to boss.
Making things easy makes them frustratingly boring. Raids get easy and boring over time too, but it takes way longer since they require a team, you simply can't do them as often.
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I disagree, players will eventually learn how to complete it. There will be players that can stomp, and those that get carried.. that's hotter it is now..
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Bearbeitet von AbsolutZeroGI: 10/31/2020 3:57:09 PMThere are several raid encounters that can't even be done without comms (calus throne room, Levi gauntlet, phase 1 boss EOW, final 2 phases spire of stars, most of scourge of the past). There are several others that are insanely hard to do when guardians don't pull their weight (final encounter crown, basically all of GoS). To erase those challenges so 2 or 3 guardians can carry the other 3-4, you'd basically be turning all of them into the Managerie, which is boring, tedious, and frustrating after you've done it a certain number of times. Raids are special in that they're the only content in D2 that require a fireteam to some extent and teamwork is actually a mechanic. You don't need comms or teamwork to clear Managerie, but it's absolutely obnoxious to deal with people who don't play the mechanics because it balloons the length of Managerie several times over. Leave raids alone. They are fine.
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So what your saying is if they made match making for a raid, our mics would just stop working...? Matchmaking would make it easier to find players in game, say you already have three four people matching making would fill in the gap...
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Bearbeitet von AbsolutZeroGI: 10/31/2020 9:56:42 PMNo, I said what I said, you drawing conclusions and trying to say "so what you mean is" is a sign of bad reading comprehension. To answer YOUR assertion that you claim was mine for some reason, most people don't use mics when they play, don't use game chat, and don't interact with other players in matchmade activities. Many players sit in corners go afk, have no idea what they're doing, or (perhaps worse) know exactly what they're doing and rush. We're talking about a community that wouldn't let anybody do heroic public events on the tangled shore for months because it was "inefficient to grind that way". A community that simultaneously uses crutch meta while coming here and whining about the other meta. You honestly think those people are gon a matchmake into a full on raid and everything is gonna "just be fine" all of a sudden? What game have you been playing for the last several years cuz what you're describing isn't the D2 community. Even the raid sweats run around dropping racist phrases and excluding people for making one mistake. The idea that all of a sudden everyone is gonna change up a thing that's been true for half a decade now is difficult to swallow. Knowing bungo and the company's development decisions, they'll just turn it into another Managerie where you can't lose, it's not challenging, and then make you grind it 600 times to get anything. What I'm saying [i]has happened before[/i]. What you're saying [i]has never happened before ever[/i].
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No, not a comprehension problem, Im just not going to read all off your elaborate replies. Matchmaking does the same thing as lfg.. Except you don't have to post and wait for a reply. If someone joins your fire team an you do like them, you can kick them. You don't come off as someone friendly to game with anyways, wouldn't want you on my fire team. Yikes..
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Lol there's the D2 community thag would ruin all this. "If you don't like them you can just kick them" Imagine matchmaking for an activity and getting booted until the fireteam leader likes your raid report. This community is too toxic to matchmake for a complex activity. Your response is a prime example.
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Some players are toxic, but I'm not the type of gamer to kick people, I'll teach them... Only time I'll kick someone, is if I'm playing with a young child. Or if someone is starting a fight over the mic with other players, and doing something to purposely ruin the game for others. Matching would help, you just have to have an open mind to it. Just because someone dose not see it your way doesn't mean it's the only way.
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Bearbeitet von AbsolutZeroGI: 11/4/2020 4:17:23 AMI had an open mind to it a long time ago. And then the game turned into a lame grind sim with no actual challenge and I recognize that making a raid a matchmaking event would require it to be dumbed down to yet a other lame grind fest full of players who boot players because they want fast runs. Woot.
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[quote]I disagree, players will eventually learn how to complete it. [/quote] No, they won’t. You seriously underestimate the importance of communication. [quote]There will be players that can stomp,[/quote] One person can’t carry, not with the way the encounters are designed. [quote]and those that get carried.. that's hotter it is now..[/quote] How would you know how it is if you don’t raid?
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Yeah, you think that. I don't raid now, I had at least 30 completions on each raid in d1. When d2 first came out, I completed calus about 9 times. Im tired of the whole using lfg to find fire teams. Not to mention I've completed whole raids with out talking, its not that complicated. I would say you would need to make the room for error wider. Then that would come with lesser rewards. Like armor with poor stats. And soon on. I do think they need to give you better stat gear at more difficult levels...
