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A clear eyed and mature take on the subject. One that looks at it from a community perspective and not “what’s best for me”. Unfortunately pretty rare among gamers.
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  • Isn’t the amazing when you can see an argument without the person insulting the other side?

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  • Maturity. It’s when you wake up to the fact that you aren’t the Center of the Universe, and that Universe doesn’t exist to make you happy.

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  • Yep.

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  • [quote]A clear eyed and mature take on the subject. One that looks at it from a community perspective and not “what’s best for me”. Unfortunately pretty rare among gamers.[/quote] Ahh yes. Kelly "protect me feom the mean good players" Green chimes in for some SBMM shilling

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  • Bearbeitet von TheArtist: 1/7/2020 10:25:39 PM
    Funny I was about to say the same thing about you..... Only I don’t shill first a right to beat up in the weak, then want to mouth off about being a bad ass....

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  • [quote]Funny I was about to say the same thing about you..... Only I don’t shill first a right to beat up in the weak, then want to mouth off about being a bad ass....[/quote] Does getting beat by someone better really anger you that much? Why does it even matter? Idc who I play. If you’re constantly getting slaughtered then it’s a you problem. I face way better players all the time and getting beat doesn’t bother me in the slightest, and “getting stomped by the sweaties” doesn’t happen every game. It’s literally once in a while. Nobody who plays this game deserves to be segregated. Everyone in pvp has fun at the expense of someone else. That’s part of the game. No matter the skill bracket.

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  • [quote]Does getting beat by someone better really anger you that much?[/quote] No. [quote]Why does it even matter?[/quote] Because its not fun, and I'm not going to waste my precious leisure time doing something that I don't enjoy but is for the enjoyment of someone else. That's the problem with CBMM, is it exploits the weaker players and simply serves them up for the enjoyment of others. [quote]If you’re constantly getting slaughtered then it’s a you problem.[/quote] Nope. Try again. Its a statistics problem. And its also non-competitive. NO other competitive pursuit does with FPS do, and then dare to call the shit "competitive". [quote]Everyone in pvp has fun at the expense of someone else[/quote] Again. Not true. Competition is fun...win or lose. And when the game is between people who are reasonably close in skill level, both parties have fun. The "pub stomp" culture that has been allowed to fester in "competitive" video gaming has not analog anywhere else. You don't send an 8 year-old Little Leaguer into the batters box against a Major League starting pitcher....then shame the kid for not "succeeding", "enjoying" or getting anything out of that abusive (and dangerous) arrangement. Fifteen years ago internet speeds were such that this was necessary to get the games to work. Now its just because you have gamers who want to see themselves as bad asses...but don't actually want to compete against people who can actually give them a game.

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  • [quote][quote]Does getting beat by someone better really anger you that much?[/quote] No. [quote]Why does it even matter?[/quote] Because its not fun, and I'm not going to waste my precious leisure time doing something that I don't enjoy but is for the enjoyment of someone else. That's the problem with CBMM, is it exploits the weaker players and simply serves them up for the enjoyment of others. [quote]If you’re constantly getting slaughtered then it’s a you problem.[/quote] Nope. Try again. Its a statistics problem. And its also non-competitive. NO other competitive pursuit does with FPS do, and then dare to call the shit "competitive". [quote]Everyone in pvp has fun at the expense of someone else[/quote] Again. Not true. Competition is fun...win or lose. And when the game is between people who are reasonably close in skill level, both parties have fun. The "pub stomp" culture that has been allowed to fester in "competitive" video gaming has not analog anywhere else. You don't send an 8 year-old Little Leaguer into the batters box against a Major League starting pitcher....then shame the kid for not "succeeding", "enjoying" or getting anything out of that abusive (and dangerous) arrangement. Fifteen years ago internet speeds were such that this was necessary to get the games to work. Now its just because you have gamers who want to see themselves as bad asses...but don't actually want to compete against people who can actually give them a game.[/quote] Video game. A thing anyone can pick up and play. But heaven forbid someone being better in your lobby. Sad

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  • Video game== entertainment. And getting stomped by someone angry 15 year old because he doesn't want to play agianst people of his own level of skill is not my idea of fun. ..and these day's its not most people's idea of fun. Which is why Classic Mix is apparently finding it difficutl to find people willing to play it. Despite the fact that it offers a wider variety of game modes. I find it laughably hypocritical that I'm somehow supposed to be shamed because I'm not interested in playing against people who are dramatically better than I am. By people who are doing everything they can to avoid having to play people of their OWN skill level. The hypocrisy is so rank, I've run into better smelling skunks.

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  • [quote]Video game== entertainment. And getting stomped by someone angry 15 year old because he doesn't want to play agianst people of his own level of skill is not my idea of fun. ..and these day's its not most people's idea of fun. Which is why Classic Mix is apparently finding it difficutl to find people willing to play it. Despite the fact that it offers a wider variety of game modes. I find it laughably hypocritical that I'm somehow supposed to be shamed because I'm not interested in playing against people who are dramatically better than I am. By people who are doing everything they can to avoid having to play people of their OWN skill level. The hypocrisy is so rank, I've run into better smelling skunks.[/quote] The fact that you believe someone who spent money the game isn’t allowed to play with everyone else is not ok. I suggest you stay out of the crucible. If you get that salty about it. They’ll end up in your lobby either way. They’ve been in MY SKBMM lobbies and I’m nowhere near them. Just play. There’s NO way in hell you were getting stomped or matched with them over and over. You just have some wild idea that they all wanna beat up on lower players all the time. And you think they can’t face each other. That’s bullshit and a piss poor excuse. Just stay out of crucible. And stick to Tee-Ball, coward. You’re just pissed you don’t have the time to spend in getting gud.

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  • Bearbeitet von TheArtist: 1/8/2020 11:18:10 PM
    [quote]I suggest you stay out of the crucible. [/quote] I do.....and so did LOTS of other people when the only 6v6 option last year (other than IB) was Quickplay and getting stat-farmed. In fact daily Crucible engagement dropped to the lowest levels this franchise had ever seen. Less than 250K players in PVP (including Gambit) per day....and player numbers were so low in PC, that it struggled to make matches. Careful what you wish for, you may get it. [quote]There’s NO way in hell you were getting stomped or matched with them over and over[/quote] Actually I was...and that was what Lost Sols showed conclusively by looking at the lobby composition of 50 consecutive CBMM matches. What he saw is called "The Pareto Principle". or more commonly "The 80/20 Rule". What it means is that (in PVP terms) that the best players in the game are the best---in part---because they play a lot more matches than anyone else. So 80 percent of the matchs are played by 20 percent of the player base. So in any given lobby the top 20 percent of players are GROSSLY over-represented relative to their percentage in the player base at large. Over time this gets even worse, because there is such a dramatic difference in the quality of the play experience if you're a top 10% player who is beating up on a succession of weaker players are day (You're chillin').....and a bottom 20% player who is getting his skull caved in every match, and the game is moving faster than he can even process and understand. So the bottom players quit out. The best players are even MORE over-represented in the player pool that's left....and the next echelon up of weaker players then gets served up. They have a miserable experience. They quit out over time...... The player pool becomes even MORE concentrated. The games get even sweatier, and the play experience gets more and more miserable for everyone but the very best players. Which is why...by mid-summer when Sols posted his findings....almost a THIRD of his QP had three or more players with ElOs of over 2000 in them...and team comps were so lopsided that one of the teams essentially had no statistically significant chance of even winnig before the first shot was fired. THAT is why Bungie fell over themselves to return a SBMM option back to the game to win back the players that had been chased out last year..... ...and why the CBMM playlist is being left begging for players. Most of things games' PVP players are vets...and know what is waiting for them in a CBMM 6v6 play list, and they don't want any part of it. Stacked teams. Pinnacle weapons...and some of the most obnoxious play styles in an effort to pub-stomp. So you can call those people whatever name other than the one their mother's gavethem. But they are spending their money, and have a right to expect an experience that is ENJOYABLE FOR THEM for that money. ...and if they aren't given it, they're going to go play soemthing that respects them and their time.... ...and take their money with them.

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  • Exactly,

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  • Bearbeitet von sdfgtty67: 1/8/2020 12:13:41 AM
    [quote]Funny I was about to say the same thing about you..... Only I don’t shill first a right to beat up in the weak, then want to mouth off about being a bad ass....[/quote] https://destinytracker.com/d2/profile/psn/Rappo000 https://i.imgur.com/xISBXQF.jpg As you can see that inclusion of SBMM hasn't really affected me. 😏😏 Every time the player bade dies CBMM comes back. Next season it will and you will be left out in the cold again little muss 0.9 Enjoy 😉

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  • [quote][quote]Funny I was about to say the same thing about you..... Only I don’t shill first a right to beat up in the weak, then want to mouth off about being a bad ass....[/quote] https://destinytracker.com/d2/profile/psn/Rappo000 https://i.imgur.com/xISBXQF.jpg As you can see that inclusion of SBMM hasn't really affected me. 😏😏 Every time the player bade dies CBMM comes back. Next season it will and you will be left out in the cold again little muss 0.9 Enjoy 😉[/quote] The thing is, he was positive at one point before SkBMM, ironically. I checked his stats A long time ago and he was a little over 1. His stats dropped after skbmm.

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  • [quote][quote][quote]Funny I was about to say the same thing about you..... Only I don’t shill first a right to beat up in the weak, then want to mouth off about being a bad ass....[/quote] https://destinytracker.com/d2/profile/psn/Rappo000 https://i.imgur.com/xISBXQF.jpg As you can see that inclusion of SBMM hasn't really affected me. 😏😏 Every time the player bade dies CBMM comes back. Next season it will and you will be left out in the cold again little muss 0.9 Enjoy 😉[/quote] The thing is, he was positive at one point before SkBMM, ironically. I checked his stats A long time ago and he was a little over 1. His stats dropped after skbmm.[/quote] Yeah shes not the smartest of cookies. Some people just love laggy games after waiting for 9 minutes in orbit unser the false premise their match is somehow fairer for them

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  • [quote][quote][quote][quote]Funny I was about to say the same thing about you..... Only I don’t shill first a right to beat up in the weak, then want to mouth off about being a bad ass....[/quote] https://destinytracker.com/d2/profile/psn/Rappo000 https://i.imgur.com/xISBXQF.jpg As you can see that inclusion of SBMM hasn't really affected me. 😏😏 Every time the player bade dies CBMM comes back. Next season it will and you will be left out in the cold again little muss 0.9 Enjoy 😉[/quote] The thing is, he was positive at one point before SkBMM, ironically. I checked his stats A long time ago and he was a little over 1. His stats dropped after skbmm.[/quote] Yeah shes not the smartest of cookies. Some people just love laggy games after waiting for 9 minutes in orbit unser the false premise their match is somehow fairer for them[/quote] Yeah I had to mute him. It’s very pathetic that anyone thinks they deserve to be safe from talented players. That is extremely shitty of these people. Talented people do not deserve to be punished and segregated because of his hurt ego. He can’t even hold is own in his .9 lobbies.

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  • [quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Funny I was about to say the same thing about you..... Only I don’t shill first a right to beat up in the weak, then want to mouth off about being a bad ass....[/quote] https://destinytracker.com/d2/profile/psn/Rappo000 https://i.imgur.com/xISBXQF.jpg As you can see that inclusion of SBMM hasn't really affected me. 😏😏 Every time the player bade dies CBMM comes back. Next season it will and you will be left out in the cold again little muss 0.9 Enjoy 😉[/quote] The thing is, he was positive at one point before SkBMM, ironically. I checked his stats A long time ago and he was a little over 1. His stats dropped after skbmm.[/quote] Yeah shes not the smartest of cookies. Some people just love laggy games after waiting for 9 minutes in orbit unser the false premise their match is somehow fairer for them[/quote] Yeah I had to mute him. It’s very pathetic that anyone thinks they deserve to be safe from talented players. That is extremely shitty of these people. Talented people do not deserve to be punished and segregated because of his hurt ego. He can’t even hold is own in his .9 lobbies.[/quote] So much butt hurt ovwr the top 1% of the playerbase. But statistically speaking you will only match the top 1% 1/100 games. Yet they go on and on about SBMM. The the lobbies are laggy and shit. People leave. Talented players stop playing and their viewers stop tuning in and the games dies because no one wants to watch or participate in laggy orbit simulation 2020.

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