My thoughts is that you aren’t being even remotely objective.
The man has stopped even making any pretense of following our laws, or respecting the Constitution. He is trying to govern like a King/Dictator.
Go read the Articles of Impeachment against Richard Nixon. Nixon was forced to resign under threat of being removed from office....
FOR LESS THAN THIS PRESIDENT HAS PUBLICLY ADMITTED TO DOING.
Shit Nixon at least had enough shame to hide the fact that he was using the IRS to harass his enemies. Trump brazenly calls on foreign adversaries to do it.
Nixon was brought down getting caught using the CIA to obstruct the FBI investigation into Watergate. Trump openly defies Congressional subpoenas. Openly tampers and intimidates witnesses, and blackmails our allies.
But you guys on the right have so completely abandoned your principles that you continue to defend a man who is behaving like an organized crime boss.
We’re to the point that such a torrent of corruption and criminal misconduct comes out every day that we—-and you in particular—-have become almost numb to it. You lost you moral compass and capacity for outrage.
He’s corrupting you as he corrupts everything around him. (Oh it’s not THAT bad....)
What you fail to realize is that governments never GIVE BACK power. ... and no regime is in power forever.
SO UNLESS YOUR PREPARED TO TOLERATE A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT AND CONTROLLED CONGRESS BEHAVING THIS WAY...it is stupidly shortsighted to tolerate your side doing.
What goes around, comes around..,,and the Constitution is there to protect all of us from one another’s character flaws.
And a rogue President with a personality disorder.
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Your trolling right? And btw that rogue comment was basically Obama's title as president right?
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83 replies... wow. Inb4 100.
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You dropped your pink hat...
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Bearbeitet von TheArtist: 10/14/2019 12:31:34 PMSmart people challenge the ideas they object to. Fools and children attack the person expressing them. Which are you? Especially since I’m answering the question that the OP asked.
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[quote]What you fail to realize is that governments never GIVE BACK power. ... and no regime is in power forever.[/quote] This is why I'm against government run healthcare, college, and just everything else. If they can give it, they can take it away.
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Yes. But if you don’t give governments power, something else that ISNT answerable to you will fill the power vacuum. The answer isn’t weak government. The answer is an educated, informed and ENGAGED citizenry. Not one that unconditionally and uncritically supports those tmwho just tell them what they want to hear.
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[quote]Yes. But if you don’t give governments power, something else that ISNT answerable to you will fill the power vacuum. The answer isn’t weak government. The answer is an educated, informed and ENGAGED citizenry. Not one that unconditionally and uncritically supports those tmwho just tell them what they want to hear.[/quote] Governments have been historically known to stop providing the needs of the people and to stop answering to them. Especially when they become stronger. You never see a weak government oppress the people and succeed for very long. But the strong ones that control everything do.
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So you basically want to live in Somalia, Iraq or Afghanistan? Because that’s what weak governments look like in the real world. The criminals and the warlords take over. Democracies aren’t taken away. They are GIVEN away. Through ignorance, fear and tribalism. Those who unconditionally support Trump no matter who badly he breaks and ignores our laws and the limits on his power? That’s what giving away democracy looks like.
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[quote]So you basically want to live in Somalia, Iraq or Afghanistan? Because that’s what weak governments look like in the real world. The criminals and the warlords take over. Democracies aren’t taken away. They are GIVEN away. Through ignorance, fear and tribalism. Those who unconditionally support Trump no matter who badly he breaks and ignores our laws and the limits on his power? That’s what giving away democracy looks like.[/quote] Iraq, Somalia, and Afghanistan have issues that run a little deeper than that, but ok. There's a difference between a weak government and a bad government. I want a government that is strong enough to protect and serve, but weak enough as to not subjugate the populace easily (The basic role of government). We also have a bill of rights that protects us from government. And if we give away all of our rights and way of life, we will lose our democracy. [spoiler]Also, name a policy that Trump made that makes the government more facist. Because Trump has been deregulating a lot, and a trademark of dictators is more regulation and less freedom. https://www.brookings.edu/interactives/tracking-deregulation-in-the-trump-era/ [/spoiler]
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Weak government——>> Failed State. Nature hates a vacuum, but especially hates a power vacuum. Something will always step in to fill it.
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[quote]Weak government——>> Failed State. Nature hates a vacuum, but especially hates a power vacuum. Something will always step in to fill it.[/quote] And do you really want government to be the thing to fill it?
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Better than the alternatives. That’s why every functional nation has a strong government.
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[quote]Better than the alternatives. That’s why every functional nation has a strong government.[/quote] But no freedom. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin
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Bearbeitet von TheArtist: 10/13/2019 2:38:22 PMFalse dichotomy. “Freedom can only exist within structure.” —Zen aphorism. Or simply check Abraham Maslow’s hierarchy of (psychological) needs. Survival needs (order and safety) trump freedom. Which means that people don’t even start thinking about self-actualization (which freedom permits) until you reduce the chaos and danger of their lives to the point where they have room to consider those needs. Which is why democracies are given away. All it takes is to convince people that they are in danger. Then you won’t have to take their freedom. They’ll gladly give it to you if you promise to keep them safe. Sixty-five million years of mammalian evolution and evolutionary psychology. It’s why there aren’t any anarchical or libertarian paradises out there where people magically organize themselves into safe societies with weak governments. There are free societies with strong governments. There are police states with strong governments..., and there are chaotic, failed states. Either torn by internal conflicts over power (Somalia, Afghanistan)...or torn by external attempts at conquest (Ukraine). And everyone who doesn’t have their own personal army tries to run from failed states. Seeking—of course—-safety. “There are fast, good surgeons. Fast, bad surgeons....and SLOW surgeons.”
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While freedom does need a structure, it doesn't need an iron structure. And correct me if I am wrong on your premises: > There must be a strong government in order for freedom to exist. That strong government will come at the cost of Governemnt socializing industries > Government will use fear to have the people give away their power and democracy
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No. No....and No. You are making false equivalencies and making baseless leaps in reasoning. A strong government is one that can maintain order domestically and protect its citizens from foreign adversaries. Now that order can be maintained while protecting the freedom of all.... or the power and privileges of the powerful and privileged. Weak governments can protect anything or anyone...and some other form of power will fill that vacuum. That is seperate from how a society organizes its ECONOMY. Capitalism. Socialism. Communism are all possibilities. Communism is an historical failure. While Capitalism and Socialism are success stories. The wealthy in Capitalist countries want you to believe that Socialism is a failure, and that it always leads to Authoritarianism....because they see socialism as a threat to their power and privileges. Because socialism is usually sees the average person getting a fairer share of their nation’s wealth than does unregulated capitalism. Because the rich and powerful eventually take over government and run it in their interest rather than yours(Citizens United). So they decry Socialism in an effort to keep you divided and fight with people on racial, ethnic and cultural grounds...so you never see that you have common class cause with the people your kept hating and gearing. And you stay looking for someone to kick down at, rather than banding together and punching up at them. Also strong governments can act as a restraint upon their economic power. While weak governments can’t. So they decry any government beyond that which is necessary to safeguard their wealth. Namely defend the nation and control the poor.
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[quote]No. No....and No. You are making false equivalencies and making baseless leaps in reasoning. A strong government is one that can maintain order domestically and protect its citizens from foreign adversaries. Now that order can be maintained while protecting the freedom of all.... or the power and privileges of the powerful and privileged. Weak governments can protect anything or anyone...and some other form of power will fill that vacuum. That is seperate from how a society organizes its ECONOMY. Capitalism. Socialism. Communism are all possibilities. Communism is an historical failure. While Capitalism and Socialism are success stories. The wealthy in Capitalist countries want you to believe that Socialism is a failure, and that it always leads to Authoritarianism....because they see socialism as a threat to their power and privileges. Because socialism is usually sees the average person getting a fairer share of their nation’s wealth than does unregulated capitalism. Because the rich and powerful eventually take over government and run it in their interest rather than yours(Citizens United). So they decry Socialism in an effort to keep you divided and fight with people on racial, ethnic and cultural grounds...so you never see that you have common class cause with the people your kept hating and gearing. And you stay looking for someone to kick down at, rather than banding together and punching up at them. Also strong governments can act as a restraint upon their economic power. While weak governments can’t. So they decry any government beyond that which is necessary to safeguard their wealth. Namely defend the nation and control the poor.[/quote] We have had the power to regulate, defend, and maintain domestic order for over a century, our government has only gotten stronger. The kind of government does help dictate the kind of economy. Socialized governments are more socialist, free republics with limited regulation have brought capitalist economies due to the freedom. I wouldn't call Venezuela a success story... granted, they are all equally poor. But the government became the rich and powerful. I would rather live in a country which has the richest poor and has increases the quality of life exponentially. I have only seen people pushing FOR socialism bring up race, ethnicity, and culture. I have not seen any capitalist in the past decade bring race up. Capitalists are only interested in your money, not race.
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Bearbeitet von TheArtist: 10/13/2019 5:21:43 PMNope. That’s propaganda. Put forward by wealthy people whose interests it in to keep you poor. Part of Venezuela’s problems are US. We keep undermining their government and their economy because (like Iraq) you have oil interests who want their oil industry de-nationalized somthey can strip the country of its resource wealth.
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[quote]Nope. That’s propaganda. Put forward by wealthy people whose interests it in to keep you poor. Part of Venezuela’s problems are US. We keep undermining their government and their economy because (like Iraq) you have oil interests who want their oil industry de-nationalized somthey can strip the country of its resource wealth.[/quote] So the corrupt government and socialism had nothing to do with it? Are you sure [i]I'm[/i] the one falling for propaganda? And please. I am not poor. You are not poor. If you are so poor, get off b.net and make some money. https://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/report/how-poor-are-americas-poor If we are "poor", we are the most rich poor in HISTORY. And nothing has elevated the poor than capitalism. https://www.heritage.org/international-economies/commentary/socialism-vs-capitalism-one-clear-winner https://www.aei.org/economics/international-economics/700-million-humans-have-moved-out-of-deep-poverty-in-the-21st-century-thank-capitalism/
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Dude our government is corrupt, or have you failed to notice that fact? Our campaign finance system is legalized bribery.
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[quote]Dude our government is corrupt, or have you failed to notice that fact? Our campaign finance system is legalized bribery.[/quote] If our governemnt is so corrupt, why should I trust it to socialize industry?
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Because I DONT. I don’t trust anyone with power. Because it corrupts everyone and everything it touches. But the only way to hold one power inncheck is with another kind of power. That is why our system has checks-and -balances between coequal braches The reason why our system is corrupt is because we broke the firewall between business and government. So government stopped being a fierce watchdog of business and got turned into an obedient lapdog.
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[quote]Because I DONT. I don’t trust anyone with power. Because it corrupts everyone and everything it touches. But the only way to hold one power inncheck is with another kind of power. That is why our system has checks-and -balances between coequal braches The reason why our system is corrupt is because we broke the firewall between business and government. So government stopped being a fierce watchdog of business and got turned into an obedient lapdog.[/quote] Because you want to socialize what is in the private sector... I trust Amazon more than I trust the government, because companies rise and fall at the whim of the population. Because in capitalism, business and the means of production is owned by private individuals, not the government. In socialism, government owns the means of production, which is business in government as a way of life, something you expressed deep concern about. https://www.thoughtco.com/socialism-vs-capitalism-4768969
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If you trust Amazon them you are an indoctrinated fool. Never trust ANYONE with power. No matter what form of it. There are no definitionally “good” forms of power. All forms of it corrupt those who have.... and the second you think otherwise you’ve already lost.
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[quote]If you trust Amazon them you are an indoctrinated fool. Never trust ANYONE with power. No matter what form of it. There are no definitionally “good” forms of power. All forms of it corrupt those who have.... and the second you think otherwise you’ve already lost.[/quote] [i]More[/i] than government. That's a [i]very[/i] low standard. But how is socialism any better when they give the means of production to governemnt?