Did he actually do something to deserve it?
So far no. Nothing has ever been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is guilty of anything that would lead to his removal from office.
Will the Dems ever stop the witch hunt on Trump?
Never.
They know they can't beat him with the weak candidates they have, and will stop at nothing in order to not have him be able to run again in the next election. They know they can beat Pence, but not the Donald.
This wouldn't be happening if he were not eligible for reelection.
I'd be glad to see him gone, but not like this. If you have nothing, do better on your own side in finding respectable candidates to run against him. I hope there is even a Republican challenger to run against him in his own party.
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Bearbeitet von cRaZyT101: 10/12/2019 4:13:57 AM[quote]So far no. Nothing has ever been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is guilty of anything that would lead to his removal from office.[/quote]Well, that depends. I'm very curious on where you draw the line on when Trump should be impeached. At what point do you think he should be impeached/removed from office?
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High crimes and misdemeanours
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High crimes and misdemeanours
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Try the usual metric: when he breaks the law. [spoiler]Sorry, all out of salt.[/spoiler]
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Bearbeitet von cRaZyT101: 10/13/2019 3:55:30 PMso the emoluments violations gotcha so you support his impeachment then?
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Bearbeitet von Cobravert: 10/12/2019 8:30:33 PMI already said, "Did he do anything to deserve it". No one has yet stated exactly what he has done to deserve impeachment. And for the record, if he or any president did anything to deserve it, so be it.
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That doesn't answer my question. I'm curious on where you would draw the line.
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Obviously not at what he hasn't done so far. That's a very broad question to ask.
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It is. But it can still be answered. You stand on the neutral side as a centrist, yes? So it should come to reason that you have a limit to what a president is allowed before crossing the line. What is your line? What does President Trump have to do before you openly support impeachment and removal?
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Bearbeitet von H1vac: 10/12/2019 11:16:34 PM[quote]Nothing has ever been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is guilty of anything that would lead to his removal from office.[/quote] -Cobravert I am not Cobravert but I’d guess that he would like to see undeniable evidence that Trump is guilty of any high crimes that would lead to his removal from office. Maybe.
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[quote][quote]Nothing has ever been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is guilty of anything that would lead to his removal from office.[/quote] -Cobravert I am not Cobravert but I’d guess that he would like to see undeniable evidence that Trump is guilty of any high crimes that would lead to his removal from office. Maybe.[/quote] That
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So, high crimes and misdemeanors then? Let's define that: [quote]The charge of high crimes and misdemeanors covers allegations of misconduct by officials, such as dishonesty, negligence, perjury of oath, abuse of authority, bribery, intimidation, misuse of public funds or assets, failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, unbecoming conduct, refusal to obey a lawful order, chronic intoxication, or tax evasion.[/quote]That's a lot to take in all at once. So let's do the low hanging fruit of the bunch and say dereliction of duty. Luckily for us I've already had a recent discussion and can quickly copy paste things. "So, we have options here. We could talk about his golf trips. We could talk about him ratting out our own spies. We could talk about that pretty satellite picture. We could talk about the failed peace talks and treaties. We could talk about how he failed to enforce sanctions on Russia. We could talk about his refusal to accept that there was interference in our 2016 election, and talk about how he failed to push for better security. We could talk about his unsecured cellphone he carries around." All easily provable within what is known by the public. That should cover one aspect of the high crimes and misdemeanors. Let's move onto another easy one: dishonesty. During the Mueller-Russia investigation, Trump was adamant that there was no meeting held within Trump Tower with Russians that went over the election. This was proven to be false information, since he eventually admitted there was one. Then there's that Ukraine thing going on where he insists Biden pressured Ukraine to remove a prosecutor because they were investigating his son. This has been proven false. Then there's his campaign Facebook ads telling outright lies about Biden. Or that whistleblower rules were changed when whistleblowers came out about the calls to Ukraine. Ok let's move onto intimidation. That's an easy one. I made a topic where he likens those who help whistleblowers are the same as spies, and reminisces about times where we would do a particular thing to them. That thing is execution. He wants to execute those who help whistleblowers. That's intimidation. Abuse of power. The power of pardoning those during Mueller's investigation. Wanting to fire Mueller multiple times. Misuse of public funds. Taking money out of the Pentagon to fund his wall when Congress refused to fund it. Negligence. Whatever happened to Puerto Rico? Or his comments about the fires in California? Refusal to obey a lawful order. Didn't the White House say they're going to ignore Congressional subpoenas? I think that's enough. So, I'll ask you this: Has Trump crossed the line yet?
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Bearbeitet von Cobravert: 10/14/2019 12:47:35 PMGo ahead and try to impeach then. If anything you mentioned can be absolutely proven, then why all the talking and nothing is being actually done?
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[quote] why all the talking and nothing is being actually done?[/quote] There is quite literally an impeachment inquiry happening right now. Trump is highly likely to get impeached in the coming months. Things [i]are[/i] being done.
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We'll see.
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Bearbeitet von cRaZyT101: 10/13/2019 6:42:21 PMThat doesn't answer my question. Allow me to rephrase it: Do you think Trump has crossed the line yet, and should be impeached? I'm curious on [i]your [/i]thoughts, nobody else's here.
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I'm not asking for proof of anything. I am asking Cobra at what point would he support Trump's impeachment and removal from office.
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Bearbeitet von H1vac: 10/12/2019 11:54:31 PMI wasn’t saying that you were. My interpretation of [i]Cobravert’s[/i] (dat guy’s) words leads me to think that he would want undeniable evidence to undeniably confirm Trump’s guilt. That is though I’m not sure) where I believe Cobravert’s bar would be. Pretty high compared to where the Trump-haters (they don’t have to be Democratic, right) have set their bars. “Undeniable” evidence of Trump’s crimes is what Cobravert is looking for. Once Cobravert sees that evidence he would/will support the impeachment of Trump.