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Graviton Forfeit's Lore: Are we really the good guys?

I was looking at all the exotic armour lore when I came to the most recent exotic armour for the hunter: Graviton Forfeit. The lore is from the perspective of what I think is a minion of darkness (An intelligent one at that) who tells you to think about who you are, what you are doing and why. The lore really got me thinking: are we (the guardians) really the good guys? I want your thoughts down below for discussion. Edit: Wow guys! I really didn't think this would become such a hot forum topic but let's keep it going! [b]- FunkyneonchickN[/b]

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  • The way I see It, we cannot subjectively say that Guardians are right or wrong. We know that we have no malicious intent. We are merely defending ourselves and the thing that ultimately allows us to protect ourselves effectively. Now let's consider the enemies. The Vex are attempting to wipe out all life. The Cabal defeat people, and then destroy solar systems, so it's clearly not imperialism. The Fallen are following the Traveller because they lost their powers. Presumably if that were the case for us, we would act similarly, but regardless, it's self defense for us. The Hive is complicated. They are clearly not creatures of the Light. But why they fight us is weird. I feel like neither of us are to blame or at fault. In any case, we aren't Good for killing, but we aren't bad. It's just a necessity to protect ourselves.

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  • If you think waaaaay back to before vanilla Destiny was released and Bungo fired their lead story writer, the Traveller was originally supposed to end up being "evil" in the end. Easily it could turn out the guardians are the villains. I believe the original story was something along the lines of the Traveller created the vex or the darkness or something, released it on a world, then showed up to save the day so that the world's people would worship it as a god. It did this several times before the rampant evil (whatever it was) got out of hand and pursued the Traveller to Earth where it basically died. Now that the Guardians have reawakened it it'll be interesting to see if they incorporate elements of this story in the future at all.

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    • I think you are reading that the wrong way. I think that is an exortation from one Hunter to another to---when dealing with the Void---not give in to the usual Hunter tendency to prefer action over thinking. My Name is Byf just point out a very interesting video that raises the possibility that the Void is actually a middle-realm between the world of Form and Light....and the realm of the Formless and Darkness. That its a middle-ground that we enter into whenever we die as Guardians.....and that we draw power from whenever we use voidlight. Warlocks are used to drawing power from the Void....and are used to being accused of being "abominations" like Hive Wizards when they Voidwalk. But Warlocks are the intellectuals, thinkers and scientists of the Destiny world. They've taken the time to understand the differences between the Void and the Dark....and are prepared for the ways in which accessing the Void and Thanatonautics can change you. Hunters, OTOH, aren't....and that lack of preparation and bias-towards-action over thought....can leave them vulnerable to being negatively affected. ...and negatively tempted. It also explains why the Guardians who tend to go the most crazy are Warlocks......Toland the Shattered. But the ones who tend to be most easily tempted to the darkness are Hunters.

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    • D3 will be Intergalactic War Crime Court Simulator where all the guardians are being tried for their war crimes against Fallen, Hive, Cabal, Vex and even Taken. No one escapes justice.

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      • Its just hunters that are evil Bunny hopping all over the place They should make an exotic helm with rabbit ears. Gives hunter a fourth jump

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        • we Kill just to kill, is that good guy or hero behavior for you ? In a skolas grimore he states that we (guardians) come crusading to wipe all hope away. If I’m considered the good guy I want to be the one spreading hope not destroying it lol

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          I think it's up to the player to decide whether you're on the "good" side or the "bad".

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          • Bearbeitet von OvertArtifact38: 3/15/2018 2:02:34 PM
            Just to add to this Benedict states the speaker is not who he presents himself to be. Or a form of that quote. So the back story goes that the speaker is the evil one manipulating us Edit For the final twist, when you fight Calus in the final test of the raid, you discover that what we believed was Calus is actually just a robot.  In the robot’s dying breath, he tells guardians this: “Everything you know is a lie. There is a truth beyond what your people and your Speaker have told you. I can take you to that truth, if you seek me out. These gifts are a reminder of my words. Emperor Calus has spoken

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            • I don’t think it’s a matter of being “good” or “Evil.” with guardians from our point of view we are the hero defending the last city and its people. But now imagine if you will the exact game bit your playing from the perspective of a fallen suddenly we become the villain. Every race in Destiny had their Motives for what they do it’s just a matter of who is stronger. History is written by the victor after all.

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              • The first thing you have to understand is that as a guardian pretty much your only purpose is to kill. We dont talk; we dont ever make desicions on our own, so your character is less a character than he/she is a weapon for the actual characters in the game. So the lore in graviton forefit is this guy who presumably went through some bad stuff relating to the darkness, and (i think he is a guardian) so he is questioning the goals and purpose of guardians. Unlike this guy (i think his name is tevis or something) your character doesn't question anything which i want to believe is why the dtorytelling is so bad. Its because bungie wants you to look through the eyes of a guardian and not really an actual role in the lore.

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              • Hold on - let me go check the Grimoire. Oh...ummm...

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              • That's folklore accidentally left on the armor...it was originally cut from destiny 1

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              • I usually take the role of biggest asshole who reaps the benefits in single player games. If it’s co op, we both become the biggest assholes. If I’m evil, I want a good story to tell me why.

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              • In an unrelated note, I have enough Graviton Forfeits Bungie. You can stop dropping them to me from exotic engrams.

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              • The lore for it in D1 is talking about the Void. You stare into the Void and it stares back. Hence why the face of the helmet is covered in Void

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              • I can confirm that Warlock are driven to madness and generally don't see the difference

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              • I like to think that we are proper villains.

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              • The bad guys rarely think they are the bad guys but.. We are an army of the dead killing the living.

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              • <We aren't good guys and we aren't bad guys. Every Destiny species has a reason to do what they are doing. We are some of the last humans left, only in the millions located in one city and a few settlements scattered around the world. We are fighting against 4-5 alien forces, each one bent on killing us. We are defending our home and the thing that saved us from complete extinction. At the same time, we kill everything else, and they, in turn, view us as demons. The Fallen are a broken society, descendants of a once noble race of people whose home was obliterated by the combined might of 2 major alien powers. They mistakenly believe that we STOLE the Traveler from them, and they want to get it back in order to survive. At the same time, they aren't far from straight up cruelty, a society that still docks even when faced with the threat of imminent extinction. Let's not even touch the Splicers... even if the Hive deserve it. Speaking of which, the Hive. Once a society of short-lived aliens that crashed on a massive gas giant/water world. Everything else that lived on that planet was a threat to them, hell, even the sky above was a threat. They were alone and didn't have time to make their lives meaningless. Of course the Sisters three took the opportunity to live forever. They feed the Worm so that their lives can mean something, and they, unfortunately, do it through genocide... which leads into the negative. The Hive are cruel and experiment on anything they come across. They enjoy it, too. The Cabal want to conquer all. But even some like to lay off a bit. Calus wants the people to feel safe and secure and to be treated fairly when compared to the military. The others want war, it expands. Just compare them to the Romans because honestly I can't think of anything else. The Vex just want to survive... even if that means Convergence has to be achieved. The Stranger was wrong. She is wrong. The only argument I can't make anything for is the Darkness. I need to know more about the Queen of Final Shapes to reach a conclusion.>

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                • That was beloved to be the original vanilla d1 story, but it was scrapped halfway in development

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                • I dont know about all gaurdians but my headcanon says mine is evil AF

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                • To be fair, it’s a matter of perspective. We have only defended our home when it is on its last leg and taken care of threats first. To question the traveler is very understandable. We don’t know anything about it or it’s intentions

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                • Yes. Our home was invaded. We are fighting to get it back. The only change in sides I really want to see is the fallen joining us.

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                  • Bearbeitet von Astartes Marine: 3/15/2018 3:15:38 AM
                    Yes we're the good guys. The Traveller is still an unknown but we are fighting legions of alien invaders that want nothing but humanity's utter destruction. We saw it with the Fallen at Six Fronts, Twilight Gap, the House of Wolves rebellion, and the SIVA Crisis. We saw it with the Hive on the moon with Crota and the loss of thousands of Guardians as well as Crota's minions like Omnigul. We saw it with the Vex and the loss of Mercury, the near loss of Venus and the events of the Black Garden. We saw it with the Taken and Oryx and everything that happened there. And we finally saw it with the Cabal and the Red Legion's assault on the Sol system. Humanity is under siege from all sides from monsters, we are the only thing keeping the monsters at bay. Yes, we are most definitely the good guys.

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                    • I personally don’t think that’s what the helmet meant, however I think that these entire games are about perspective and our own sense of justice. (Sorry if it’s a tad long) For example, Aurash and her sisters took the steps to save the proto-Hive from the God-Wave (Or at least themselves). They have to kill to feed their worms, so they don’t die from the inside-out. They do grotesque things to create Ogres and steal Light, but it’s all for the sake of the Hive and their higher ups. Vex want to create a perfect world, filled with 1s and 0s, everything in its simplest form. They want to get to that one Dark Future where they survive and preserve their kind from the other futures they have predicted. The Fallen, well, it’s evident that they are struggling to keep their kind alive. They have created one house to share remaining resources with each other, and are in kind of a defense mode after the whole SIVA thing. And the Cabal, a species dedicated on domination to spread their kind across multiple planets, and even letting different conquered races call themselves Cabal. I can’t really call the Taken their own species. In conclusion, we can all look at these races as our enemies, or races trying to survive. Are we really any different?

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                    • Bearbeitet von Bayraktar: 3/14/2018 4:25:25 PM
                      They removed shadestep. This exotic is reminds me of how much I loved shadestepping around, it's painful. Titans and Warlocks are getting movement buffs to jumps to increase skating. Hunters get left behind doing a twirl once a minute.

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