Hey all - Pwnzor here, Kill Confirmed represent. Frankly I feel strange. The Destiny 2 experience seems for the first time ... hopeless. I have defended Bungie for 3 years on every fault. Now.. I just don't know.
After the Prestige Raid yesterday, I had one of those stare towards the sky with Crawling in my Skin playing as I question my commitment for the last 2 months - 3 years. For the first time ever, I feel Bungie has won - making their $60-110 buy in per player, and not giving the players what was so proudly delivered in the years of D1. Game is bought, with expansion pass, and the $10 starter Eververse package, and thats all they wanted it seems --- which makes sense from a business standpoint. Maximum profit for minimal effort.
I will still continue to play, mostly Trials and PVP cause I enjoy them a lot in any game, but there are real issues that need to be addressed.
[b]Quick Backstory (slight boasting to give you perspective):[/b]
I never thought I'd see the day where I made a post like this. I have played Destiny in its entirety since its inception in 2014. I was one of the first 50 Fireteams to complete Vault of Glass, Crotas End, POE 32/34/35 (night 1 of HOW), Kings Fall. I was the Worlds First Titan to Solo Crota (just google Mr Pwnzor). I have gone Flawless as many times as I've stepped into Trial to try. I have completed the D2 raid on 2 separate accounts over 15 times. I have collected every exotic in all versions of the game.
[u][b]NOW GETTING INTO THE ISSUES[/b][/u]
On a given forum, there is normally a complaint about a few things that could use tuning. When you isolate those issues, they can be defended by a majority of hardcore players. When you compile the list and really stare at it, it's really just not something I can defend.
If the technology and innovation for the below existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2?
[b]"It's Crazy to Me” (My gripe with D2):[/b]
[1] It's crazy to me that Power Level doesnt matter
[2] It's crazy to me that they removed Weapon Rolls for replayability
[3] It's crazy to me that 90% of Guns are useless regardless of [2]
[4] It's crazy to me that Armor Ornaments no longer exist in game
[5] It's crazy to me that Sparrow collection comes entirely from Eververse
[6] It's crazy to me that Shader collection (less Trials and Raid) comes entirely from Eververse
[7] It's crazy to me that Ship collection comes entirely from Eververse
[8] It's crazy to me Token Systems become irrelevant after playing for 2 days
[9] It's crazy to me that there are no Strike Specific Loot Options
[10] It's crazy to me that there isn't a 6v6, 3v3, or additional PVP options
[11] It's crazy to me that there are no Secret Exotics or Easter Eggs (Oryx Basketball Court)
[12] It's crazy to me that Exotics look unique, feel unique, but do not act unique
[13] It's crazy to me that Max Power Level can be reached with never doing endgame
[14] It's crazy to me that there are no means of World Collection (Ghost, Calcified Frags, etc).
[15] It's crazy to me that Raids give no incentive for replay-ability (seriously - I used to farm the SH!T out of raids for Ships, Raid Coveted Exotics, Shaders, etc.)
[16] It's crazy to me that Vault of Glass is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan
[17] It's crazy to me that Crotas End is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan
[18] It's crazy to me that Kings Fall is 2 years older and yet seems 2 years ahead of Leviathan
[19] It's crazy to me that Hard Mode (and frankly Normal Mode) Raid are simply for Vanity
[20] It's crazy to me that Leviathan Raid is a Gameshow and not a Raid
[21] It's crazy to me that Factions do not always exist
[22] It's crazy to me that I have 2700 Legendary Shards and nothing to spend them on
[23] It's crazy to me that no one looks forward to Xur
[24] It's crazy to me that there is no arena like POE
[25] It's crazy to me that there is no open world arena like Court of Oryx/Archons Forge
[26] It's crazy to me that Sparrow Racing isnt in the game
[27] It's crazy to me that Sparrows cant do backflips like the Hotwheels Sparrow TDB model
[28] It's crazy to me that the meta leans towards 1 path 1 subclass for each class
[29] It's crazy to me that Planetary Materials are useless
[30] It's crazy to me that gear doesn't require being upgraded (took legit 3 seconds)
[31] It's crazy to me that Trials isnt even hard this year
[32] It's crazy to me that Public Events, Lost Sectors, Chest Looting, Adventures - are all useless
[33] It's crazy to me that this Game is so casual it has driven all of my best mates away
[34] It's crazy to me that I will continue to play with hopes of it becoming better
[35] It's crazy to me that I can even see myself playing a different game soon, only 1 month after release.
TL:DR
The technology and innovation for the above existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2. If it is a means of having people pay for more Content, then that is just wrong. Bungie has made the game too casual in an attempt to cater to everyone. Even the casuals find it too casual.
Hoping there is a light at the end of this Dark, Dark tunnel. I can guarantee one thing - if there isn't a raid being release in the December DLC, alongside a complete loot system and token system overhaul, then this game is going to die.
EDIT: All - just wanted to say thank you all for reading and providing your comments, concerns, and criticisms. We have been top trending for almost 24 hours. Trials has been canceled since this post (crazy?). I will continue to play PVP but let’s hope bungie makes the little changes we would enjoy so much!
EDIT 2: Guardians, we’ve reach 1000 upvotes which is truly something else! I wish I could respond to all of your questions and concerns but there are just so many posts now. I’ll give some quick general responses here ——
I think pvp is fun and don’t have many issues (I know many do), I think selling old features as DLC is cash grabbing, I love destiny still just want the inherently needed changes, population should not be dropping this fast, any comprehensive MMORPG in history has expanded its world not shrunk it regardless if they dumbed it down, Trials being canceled makes me sad; all being said I am GOING TO STAY HOPEFUL.
[b]ADDITIONALLY -[/b] I have put a job application in with Bungie. As an avid video gamer and dedicated player since Halo 1, with professional experience in WOW and other titles, I feel I could help the team. I am a mechanical and control systems engineer doing project management in New York City currently. My background and professional experience certainly makes me qualified. This has always been a dream of mine - I haven’t given up yet, so maybe I can help. Hope Luke Smith or Cozmo see this and spread the word lol.
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This game is just one REALLY BIG F**k you to their fan base. They basically took EVERYTHING that we loved about D1 and tossed in in the trash. Actually, let me rephrase that. They took everything we loved about D1 and put it away somewhere so it can be released as "DLC" and future "Quality of Life" updates...
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2 AntwortenThat was a very touching story. Its crazy to me that I find myself agreeing with alot of it.
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6 AntwortenIts the everyone gets a trophy mentality. I mean how easy was it to platinum trophy D2 compared to D1 where you had to get flawless raider ect.
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Hey guys while deej is @twithcon presenting [u]streamers tools[/u] The [b]entire[/b] fan base and community can -blam!- off because yeah streamer tools to make a [u]streamers[/u] job easier. Kick in the dick and a punch in the face after you fall over bungie now kicks you while down... I actually wanna say I want a -blam!-ing [b]refund[/b] and I've never felt this so heavily about a game title. I've sucked up my pride in purchase but WTSF is going on. Why doesn't bungie just say and now we [b][u]PRESENT ACTIVISONS TITLE[/u][/b] BECAUSE well we died long ago our souls given up for monetary bullshit.
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Holy shit guys it's a game, it's not supposed to be a life crutch. People are acting like their best friend slept with their wife then shot them in the kneecaps. Just go to gamestop and buy a new video game. Or go outside. This was the most dramatic post I've seen so far.
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2 AntwortenWhether it be D1 or D2. These posts have always existed. You are clearly comparing 3 year old D1 to 2 month old D2. I have to point out, Vanilla to vanilla I feel D2 blows D1 away. More importantly including all of that into D2 from D1 would have made the size of the game astronomically larger. It is better that they stagger the release of such content because it would have put the release date further back and it probably would have taken an extra GB
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Totally agree.
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Well put.
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2 AntwortenAnyone who is comparing D2 to D1 launch is absolutely a fanboy and clueless.
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I think D2 is bungies way out. Out of the claws of Activision...2 more DLC and after that, freedom.
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Well put.
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2 AntwortenYo 3 year Destiny veteran as well, if they don't bring back SRL I'm outta here.
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2 AntwortenAnd that's what we get with fanboys. Thanks
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1 AntwortenYou the g man
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3 AntwortenBearbeitet von KILLERkpd: 10/19/2017 7:43:41 PMGood post. I do not have any regrets yet.... But its getting there, played D1 a ton. Been a loyal guardian since launch 3yrs ago. I am confused by alot of decisions that were made with D2. I still play but nowhere near the amount i played D1. Its just not fun. I truly think Bungoe missed the mark on this because greed got the best of them and while I understand a business needs to make money. I feel like they simply took too much away to holdover for paid dlc.
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53 AntwortenAs a day 1 vet I disagree. Just be patient. Just like people were in D1
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Agree 100% I'm playing eso was a hardcore destiny 1 player. Even got my age of triumph tshirt
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It's crazy to me that so many people bought D2 after playing D2 BETA.
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Can we get this loaded on every screen with anyone associated with Bungie' s development? Mangers and high ups esspically?! This was a chance for them to show us what they got. And it's all paid. What a way to drive away you fan base. I have no interest in the D2's raid. I find it redundant. The Vault of Glass is hands down the best raid. Kings fall was pretty fun too. But my favorite raid was and is the Vault. The raid and weapons, gear, and experience was awesome. You would think that D2 would be and "expansion" if you will, to D1. So factions, Being an Iron Lord, (Tess is stupid btw) PvP games and modes. You think they would have brought more to the table. N what we get instead is some stupid silly reboot that wasn't necessary. What to waste 3 years of your contract. Way to waste 3 years of players time. All to just hit a reset button. In attempt to correct what you Bungle management screwed up. Get to know your players more. Or you won't have any.
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Bearbeitet von waysketch: 10/19/2017 9:18:10 PMI feel similar. Yesterday I got on to try the prestige raid and decided not to put the energy into completing it with my friends. I just logged off and haven’t been on since. Don’t even get me started on strikes and nightfall’s. I haven’t completed one in a while since I some how got every exotic weapon in the game by surprise.
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Only thing I disagree on is #30. I'm glad we don't have to level gear after we get it. Other than that, spot on.
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4 Antworten[quote]...if there isn't a raid being release in the December DLC, alongside a complete loot system and token system overhaul, then this game is going to die.[/quote] Agreed 100%
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Bearbeitet von trafficlaw: 10/19/2017 9:12:18 PM
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4 AntwortenI completely disagree with almost every point you made. Destiny 2 is so much better than Destiny was pre dlc
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I agree, in D1 post rise of iron I always felt there was something to do, and it would take me an entire week of play to get everything done, it was great. D2 you can easily get everything done in a single afternoon. Then there are no perks on raid armor to make the raid easier, and I have no idea why they did that. It gave you a reason to do the raid in D1, it made it easier later. I'm not even going to talk about the disgrace that is the eververse store and prestige raid, those ARE subjective. And I personally hate it. Don't get me wrong, the prestige raid does seem harder and whatnot, but no power cap buff? No increase in drops? No more unique drops? The only reason to do the raid is for, like 4 things, unless you want full armor
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2 AntwortenSame boat, same story. Im blown away.