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After 3 Years of Defending Bungie, I Never Thought I'd Say This... (3 Year Destiny Veteran)

Hey all - Pwnzor here, Kill Confirmed represent. Frankly I feel strange. The Destiny 2 experience seems for the first time ... hopeless. I have defended Bungie for 3 years on every fault. Now.. I just don't know. After the Prestige Raid yesterday, I had one of those stare towards the sky with Crawling in my Skin playing as I question my commitment for the last 2 months - 3 years. For the first time ever, I feel Bungie has won - making their $60-110 buy in per player, and not giving the players what was so proudly delivered in the years of D1. Game is bought, with expansion pass, and the $10 starter Eververse package, and thats all they wanted it seems --- which makes sense from a business standpoint. Maximum profit for minimal effort. I will still continue to play, mostly Trials and PVP cause I enjoy them a lot in any game, but there are real issues that need to be addressed. [b]Quick Backstory (slight boasting to give you perspective):[/b] I never thought I'd see the day where I made a post like this. I have played Destiny in its entirety since its inception in 2014. I was one of the first 50 Fireteams to complete Vault of Glass, Crotas End, POE 32/34/35 (night 1 of HOW), Kings Fall. I was the Worlds First Titan to Solo Crota (just google Mr Pwnzor). I have gone Flawless as many times as I've stepped into Trial to try. I have completed the D2 raid on 2 separate accounts over 15 times. I have collected every exotic in all versions of the game. [u][b]NOW GETTING INTO THE ISSUES[/b][/u] On a given forum, there is normally a complaint about a few things that could use tuning. When you isolate those issues, they can be defended by a majority of hardcore players. When you compile the list and really stare at it, it's really just not something I can defend. If the technology and innovation for the below existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2? [b]"It's Crazy to Me” (My gripe with D2):[/b] [1] It's crazy to me that Power Level doesnt matter [2] It's crazy to me that they removed Weapon Rolls for replayability [3] It's crazy to me that 90% of Guns are useless regardless of [2] [4] It's crazy to me that Armor Ornaments no longer exist in game [5] It's crazy to me that Sparrow collection comes entirely from Eververse [6] It's crazy to me that Shader collection (less Trials and Raid) comes entirely from Eververse [7] It's crazy to me that Ship collection comes entirely from Eververse [8] It's crazy to me Token Systems become irrelevant after playing for 2 days [9] It's crazy to me that there are no Strike Specific Loot Options [10] It's crazy to me that there isn't a 6v6, 3v3, or additional PVP options [11] It's crazy to me that there are no Secret Exotics or Easter Eggs (Oryx Basketball Court) [12] It's crazy to me that Exotics look unique, feel unique, but do not act unique [13] It's crazy to me that Max Power Level can be reached with never doing endgame [14] It's crazy to me that there are no means of World Collection (Ghost, Calcified Frags, etc). [15] It's crazy to me that Raids give no incentive for replay-ability (seriously - I used to farm the SH!T out of raids for Ships, Raid Coveted Exotics, Shaders, etc.) [16] It's crazy to me that Vault of Glass is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [17] It's crazy to me that Crotas End is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [18] It's crazy to me that Kings Fall is 2 years older and yet seems 2 years ahead of Leviathan [19] It's crazy to me that Hard Mode (and frankly Normal Mode) Raid are simply for Vanity [20] It's crazy to me that Leviathan Raid is a Gameshow and not a Raid [21] It's crazy to me that Factions do not always exist [22] It's crazy to me that I have 2700 Legendary Shards and nothing to spend them on [23] It's crazy to me that no one looks forward to Xur [24] It's crazy to me that there is no arena like POE [25] It's crazy to me that there is no open world arena like Court of Oryx/Archons Forge [26] It's crazy to me that Sparrow Racing isnt in the game [27] It's crazy to me that Sparrows cant do backflips like the Hotwheels Sparrow TDB model [28] It's crazy to me that the meta leans towards 1 path 1 subclass for each class [29] It's crazy to me that Planetary Materials are useless [30] It's crazy to me that gear doesn't require being upgraded (took legit 3 seconds) [31] It's crazy to me that Trials isnt even hard this year [32] It's crazy to me that Public Events, Lost Sectors, Chest Looting, Adventures - are all useless [33] It's crazy to me that this Game is so casual it has driven all of my best mates away [34] It's crazy to me that I will continue to play with hopes of it becoming better [35] It's crazy to me that I can even see myself playing a different game soon, only 1 month after release. TL:DR The technology and innovation for the above existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2. If it is a means of having people pay for more Content, then that is just wrong. Bungie has made the game too casual in an attempt to cater to everyone. Even the casuals find it too casual. Hoping there is a light at the end of this Dark, Dark tunnel. I can guarantee one thing - if there isn't a raid being release in the December DLC, alongside a complete loot system and token system overhaul, then this game is going to die. EDIT: All - just wanted to say thank you all for reading and providing your comments, concerns, and criticisms. We have been top trending for almost 24 hours. Trials has been canceled since this post (crazy?). I will continue to play PVP but let’s hope bungie makes the little changes we would enjoy so much! EDIT 2: Guardians, we’ve reach 1000 upvotes which is truly something else! I wish I could respond to all of your questions and concerns but there are just so many posts now. I’ll give some quick general responses here —�— I think pvp is fun and don’t have many issues (I know many do), I think selling old features as DLC is cash grabbing, I love destiny still just want the inherently needed changes, population should not be dropping this fast, any comprehensive MMORPG in history has expanded its world not shrunk it regardless if they dumbed it down, Trials being canceled makes me sad; all being said I am GOING TO STAY HOPEFUL. [b]ADDITIONALLY -[/b] I have put a job application in with Bungie. As an avid video gamer and dedicated player since Halo 1, with professional experience in WOW and other titles, I feel I could help the team. I am a mechanical and control systems engineer doing project management in New York City currently. My background and professional experience certainly makes me qualified. This has always been a dream of mine - I haven’t given up yet, so maybe I can help. Hope Luke Smith or Cozmo see this and spread the word lol.

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  • Yep, realized I don't care about anything you say, I'm still enjoying this game with my buds.

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    • Bearbeitet von nmendez79: 10/20/2017 12:17:31 AM
      “I will still continue to play.” That is why companies continue to do this.

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    • Lmaooo this is the most dramatic post ive ever read in my life 😂😂😂 move on find a new game

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      • 100% man i agree with everything and more. People who still defend bungie are just like you and mean 1 or 2 years ago but it's a sequel and bungie still tonned down the game to the point where I a (a semi-casual) find the game way to boring compared to D1 like if everyone in the community just all agreed to switch back to D1 god knows you'll find me there. D! where i would be kinda of annoyed when i couldn't play trials bc i was busy bc i had plans, or when i would get annoyed that i had no time to do a raid. It's weird but it felt pretty ok that i could do some activities in the game, hard core players deserve this exclusivity, even if it means i can't get some, only because even casuals had stuff to do in D1 where now not even i have anything to do. (or I'm not incentivized to)

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      • If they don't put in effort why should we Game doesn't even deserve text walls Shit sucks ass, awful game, 0 support from devs

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      • True on all points. All I play is pvp and even that somehow got messed up. No playlists. No ranks. Horrible matchmaking Slow gameplay High caliber rounds trumps all guns. Pulse rifles are horrible. People on use rockets as heavy I can keep going on...

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      • I agree with most of this. You think it's crazy that players get to max without doing endgame? They aren't ALLOWED TO DO IT unless they're max level man. Go on the recruitment AT ANY MOMENT and show me people willing to raid with anyone at 280. Anyone?

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        • Its sad to say but it's true. The game is way too easy. I feel like nothing is earned its all just handed to you. I agree with you on every point.

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        • D2 is one really good game away from loosing an entire community if serious changes aren't implemented soon. D1 is still more fun playing than this current system. Don't get me wrong there's a great base game here. Just needs some serious tweeks. Why remove so many things that the community actually liked and never complained about?

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        • Yuuup!

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        • You should change no.6 not all shaders come from eververse. They come from the various planets and vendors as well. I don't mind the way shaders are done now as it's one of the very very few things to grind for in d2 If you want a real challenge then carry me through to flawless on trials cos I'm buggered if I can do it lol

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        • I feel you... imma add my gripes here for Bungie to have more to read on this already epic posting. 1. Removal of kiosks / collections 2. No heroic mode strikes / missions 3. Cannot replay story missions at will 4. No rewards at the end of crucible and nightfall other than blue crap that stops being useful once you max out 5. No random weapon / armor perks 6. No skeleton keys / strike specific loot 7. The worst raid loot drop encounters ever. (15 plus completions, no midnight coup, but I’ve gotten 11 inaugural addresses, 17 mob justices, 8 ghost primuses, 6 conspirators. 5 Titan boots and still no chest). 8. Raid token vendor is a nightmare 9. Cannot select specific PvP modes 10. All of the following PvP variants have been removed: - rift - rumble - salvage - mayhem - inferno - skirmish 11. No more 6v6 or 3v3. 12. No more SRL 13. No more heavy machine guns 14. No more record books 15. No more equipment segregation in the vault 16. No more visible reputation levels 17. No more collectibles to chase. IE dead ghosts. SIVA clusters. Etc.. 18. Exotic quests now take up an inventory slot 19. Xur has a limited inventory with nothing else to offer but gear 20. No more gunsmith quests 21. No more sparrow horns or customization options other than shader applications 22. No more vanguard / crucible vendors 23. NO AMMO SYNTHS!?!? 24. Engrams are now limited to the specific character it was earned on 25. Cannot re roll weapons and or armors 26. Armors have limited perk modifiers 27. Weapons have only one active perk 28. No more connection meters 29. Shaders are 1 time use only 30. No more daily story playlist 31. No more weekly strike playlist 32. No more vanguard consecutive strike bonus 33. No more artifacts 34. Prestige raid is useless and pointless due to the fact the light level stays at 305 and the gear is just a flip flop of color. No incentive whatsoever to tackle such high level challenges 35. Strike counts are ridiculously low 36. Guided games takes ages to find a random raid or nightfall team. After waiting for about 32 minutes, I don’t wanna use guided games anymore 37. Iron Banner was so bad, it had me within minutes of uninstalling Destiny 2. Loot drop rate was just as bad as the raid if not worse. The Iron Banner guns were about 105 steps down from the Rise of Iron era guns. Bungie: Destiny fans are falling and fast. Destiny 2’s base game is amazing, everything else is a tremendous step down from how awesome Destiny 1 was at the end. The loot for the grind isn’t even worth it anymore TBH. All the post game content grind gear looks like crap and is next to impossible to attain with the new tokens for the same shit system anyways. I’m a die hard Destiny fan and even I’m getting tired of the same shit, and fed up with a unfulfilling grind.

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          • Totally agree

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          • LOOK A THIS GRAPH!!!

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          • It took just one month, to see most of my friends playing different games. D1 it took 3 yrs. I think this Game is beyond repair. Hotfixes will Not be enough.they have to go back And redo the core of this game.

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            • Bearbeitet von Dcblind: 10/19/2017 10:32:29 PM
              Sadly people have already started moving on to different games. The casuals aren't the ones who kept D1 going and made D2 possible. It wasn't Bungie either. It was those people who stuck around from day 1 until this very moment. This game just feels like it was a huge smack in the face for those who have tried to stick by Bungie for the last 3 years. I would guess a large sum of individuals will not make it to the next DLC if things do not start changing immediately. Even just fixing the real glitches! Instead some stupid color coding on some gauntlets is more important than the raid should being fixed! The Exodus Black nightfall STILL BROKEN! Guided games si a joke. Half the clans who run the guided games die more or know less than the ones they are suppose to help. The wait time is ridiculous. By the time the 2 hour wait is over the time expires before you make a choice because you were busy not watching your ship for 2 hours in orbit. Why can't we queue and run around different planets or social spaces why in queue? Why remove so much content from the game? Bungie is clearly showing us that they have the inability to work with and provide the correct environment for their customer base. Hopefully when PC comes out Blizzard will be able to help guide them in the right direction. Atleast Blizzard, even with all the gripes people have towards them, actually made excellent games that had huge replayability and a huge customer base that stuck around.Or even better yet Bungie might recognize their inability to provide these things and give the game over to those who do have the ability to make this game what we all hoped it could be. If only Bungie wasn't so greedy we would have such a better gaming environment.

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            • Is this not exactly what people like me who have been $hitting on bungie for the past 3 years have been saying? The only reason its come to this is because bungie fanboys have defended this game even if bungie was clearly in the wrong and surprisingly their are still people defending this game saying “oh this is just the vocal minority all the real destiny fans just are really quite and not saying anything” im sick of it yo, its tiring to give criticism only to be barraged with insults by deluded brats. Fluffy mc scruffins out yo! Peace!

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            • True on every point. Every casual fanboy on this forum will disagree. They don't get it though, they are casuals. The hardcore are leaving this game in droves, and probably will never come back. They ruined Destiny so bad with the release of version 2! I just want to go back to Destiny 1 and act like this turn of events did not happen....but it did. I honestly do not think this game can be fixed. Luke Smith is a false prophet. He spoke of content that would satisfy for months. Most hardcore players did not get three weeks out of this game. I LOVED D1. It will never be the same. This is a game with no reason to play it. What can be done to fix things? I honestly do not know.....

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            • Bout sums it up. I’m no fanboy, and even bailed on D1 1/2 way through. (Made it to HoW) But I do enjoy the game. I don’t agree with the way both the Devs and Publisher have decided to monetize everything, from Eververse, to locking (what I’m guessing) should be standard content behind DLC walls. But I’ve paid my $100, will keep paying attention to the state of the game, but will be playing other games in the meantime. It sucks, since I do enjoy no-lifing a game at a time.

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            • *yawn*

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            • Its crazy to me that you wrote its crazy to me in every complaint that makes you crazy

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              • Totally agree with you OP

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              • Well shit... The new raid came out, no BFD... People destroyed Bungie’s artificial difficulty mode and were rewarded with an emblem and ornament... So Fancy!!! In other news, our average daily player count is now well below 500,000 and we’ve all but lost our core player base. But have no fear, all those streamers that doubled down on D2 are still around, why? Well because they pretty much suck at everything else and they already had special Hype Train Emotes made... What’s a person living in their mom’s basement living off energy drinks and Hot Pockets to do??? In other news we have reports already from the first play testers of the new Osiris DLC. Guess what, we hope you enjoy the whopping 3-4 hrs of additional content this $40 provides. We know you worked hard those 10 hours at the drive through making minimum wage just to throw cash at the screen. We’ve heard rumors that several people want to cancel their DLC orders, well that’s just freaking hilarious. Let me go tell Luke Smith he’s gotta take that Lambo back since you generally want to vomit thinking about the direction he’s helped lead this company... “Oh, just saw him”! 😂 Hold on, he’s wiping off the sweat from wearing a hoodie in July with Hundred Dolla Bills... He’s still laughing...yeah, that ain’t gonna stop anytime soon, more on his official response from IGN. So that about sums it up, hopefully you held onto those Iron Banner Wooden Nickels... they’re collectors items now... Okay, maybe they’re completely useless, we don’t know... either way you guys will be fighting about it on the forum and completely ignore all the real issues here. Last but not least! Festival of the Lost Wallet is rapidly approaching! Please make sure to update your PSN account’s payment method so we can provide you with some stellar paper masks and 2.0 raisins!!! Okay, seriously I’m done! 🎤 Drop!

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              • You can add the following to your list: Private matches Changable difficulty level and modifiers outside of the raid and nightfall Competent AI, something Halo had a decade ago.

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              • Another shameless bump

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                • Well said

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