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After 3 Years of Defending Bungie, I Never Thought I'd Say This... (3 Year Destiny Veteran)

Hey all - Pwnzor here, Kill Confirmed represent. Frankly I feel strange. The Destiny 2 experience seems for the first time ... hopeless. I have defended Bungie for 3 years on every fault. Now.. I just don't know. After the Prestige Raid yesterday, I had one of those stare towards the sky with Crawling in my Skin playing as I question my commitment for the last 2 months - 3 years. For the first time ever, I feel Bungie has won - making their $60-110 buy in per player, and not giving the players what was so proudly delivered in the years of D1. Game is bought, with expansion pass, and the $10 starter Eververse package, and thats all they wanted it seems --- which makes sense from a business standpoint. Maximum profit for minimal effort. I will still continue to play, mostly Trials and PVP cause I enjoy them a lot in any game, but there are real issues that need to be addressed. [b]Quick Backstory (slight boasting to give you perspective):[/b] I never thought I'd see the day where I made a post like this. I have played Destiny in its entirety since its inception in 2014. I was one of the first 50 Fireteams to complete Vault of Glass, Crotas End, POE 32/34/35 (night 1 of HOW), Kings Fall. I was the Worlds First Titan to Solo Crota (just google Mr Pwnzor). I have gone Flawless as many times as I've stepped into Trial to try. I have completed the D2 raid on 2 separate accounts over 15 times. I have collected every exotic in all versions of the game. [u][b]NOW GETTING INTO THE ISSUES[/b][/u] On a given forum, there is normally a complaint about a few things that could use tuning. When you isolate those issues, they can be defended by a majority of hardcore players. When you compile the list and really stare at it, it's really just not something I can defend. If the technology and innovation for the below existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2? [b]"It's Crazy to Me” (My gripe with D2):[/b] [1] It's crazy to me that Power Level doesnt matter [2] It's crazy to me that they removed Weapon Rolls for replayability [3] It's crazy to me that 90% of Guns are useless regardless of [2] [4] It's crazy to me that Armor Ornaments no longer exist in game [5] It's crazy to me that Sparrow collection comes entirely from Eververse [6] It's crazy to me that Shader collection (less Trials and Raid) comes entirely from Eververse [7] It's crazy to me that Ship collection comes entirely from Eververse [8] It's crazy to me Token Systems become irrelevant after playing for 2 days [9] It's crazy to me that there are no Strike Specific Loot Options [10] It's crazy to me that there isn't a 6v6, 3v3, or additional PVP options [11] It's crazy to me that there are no Secret Exotics or Easter Eggs (Oryx Basketball Court) [12] It's crazy to me that Exotics look unique, feel unique, but do not act unique [13] It's crazy to me that Max Power Level can be reached with never doing endgame [14] It's crazy to me that there are no means of World Collection (Ghost, Calcified Frags, etc). [15] It's crazy to me that Raids give no incentive for replay-ability (seriously - I used to farm the SH!T out of raids for Ships, Raid Coveted Exotics, Shaders, etc.) [16] It's crazy to me that Vault of Glass is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [17] It's crazy to me that Crotas End is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [18] It's crazy to me that Kings Fall is 2 years older and yet seems 2 years ahead of Leviathan [19] It's crazy to me that Hard Mode (and frankly Normal Mode) Raid are simply for Vanity [20] It's crazy to me that Leviathan Raid is a Gameshow and not a Raid [21] It's crazy to me that Factions do not always exist [22] It's crazy to me that I have 2700 Legendary Shards and nothing to spend them on [23] It's crazy to me that no one looks forward to Xur [24] It's crazy to me that there is no arena like POE [25] It's crazy to me that there is no open world arena like Court of Oryx/Archons Forge [26] It's crazy to me that Sparrow Racing isnt in the game [27] It's crazy to me that Sparrows cant do backflips like the Hotwheels Sparrow TDB model [28] It's crazy to me that the meta leans towards 1 path 1 subclass for each class [29] It's crazy to me that Planetary Materials are useless [30] It's crazy to me that gear doesn't require being upgraded (took legit 3 seconds) [31] It's crazy to me that Trials isnt even hard this year [32] It's crazy to me that Public Events, Lost Sectors, Chest Looting, Adventures - are all useless [33] It's crazy to me that this Game is so casual it has driven all of my best mates away [34] It's crazy to me that I will continue to play with hopes of it becoming better [35] It's crazy to me that I can even see myself playing a different game soon, only 1 month after release. TL:DR The technology and innovation for the above existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2. If it is a means of having people pay for more Content, then that is just wrong. Bungie has made the game too casual in an attempt to cater to everyone. Even the casuals find it too casual. Hoping there is a light at the end of this Dark, Dark tunnel. I can guarantee one thing - if there isn't a raid being release in the December DLC, alongside a complete loot system and token system overhaul, then this game is going to die. EDIT: All - just wanted to say thank you all for reading and providing your comments, concerns, and criticisms. We have been top trending for almost 24 hours. Trials has been canceled since this post (crazy?). I will continue to play PVP but let’s hope bungie makes the little changes we would enjoy so much! EDIT 2: Guardians, we’ve reach 1000 upvotes which is truly something else! I wish I could respond to all of your questions and concerns but there are just so many posts now. I’ll give some quick general responses here —�— I think pvp is fun and don’t have many issues (I know many do), I think selling old features as DLC is cash grabbing, I love destiny still just want the inherently needed changes, population should not be dropping this fast, any comprehensive MMORPG in history has expanded its world not shrunk it regardless if they dumbed it down, Trials being canceled makes me sad; all being said I am GOING TO STAY HOPEFUL. [b]ADDITIONALLY -[/b] I have put a job application in with Bungie. As an avid video gamer and dedicated player since Halo 1, with professional experience in WOW and other titles, I feel I could help the team. I am a mechanical and control systems engineer doing project management in New York City currently. My background and professional experience certainly makes me qualified. This has always been a dream of mine - I haven’t given up yet, so maybe I can help. Hope Luke Smith or Cozmo see this and spread the word lol.

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  • I said in a previous post Bungie were on the ropes over a week ago. now there taking a standing 8 count. I'm a 3 year plus player and like many are being turn away by D2. Fortnite a good crack if your looking for some fun

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  • D2 is a in sad state. I’ve moved on to he new South Park game for now and will be playing Wolfenstein 2 when it launches to get my shooting fix. I should have listened to myself from the beta, I knew it was gonna turn out bad. I’m just glad I didn’t buy the legendary version. Bungie/ Activision about that money tho, PC release coming so you got some more new players coming and a lot of players buying their 2nd copy of D2 lol.

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  • Said it before and I will say it again and again and again. The game is actually dead already. Little over 1 month! RiP Bungie

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    • I got destiny 2 the night it came out put a total of 30ish hours in and was 286 light on second day. didn't get back on until raid released. Played half raid cause it was glitch ridden then shut off game never got on again. sad....just sad those are indie game numbers and It's a sequel. I wont buy another bungie game again.

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    • There will be a plan and the plan most likely will be to sell you the content back. For a game of this type surely you build on a successful model not start again. If I knew they had focused on the casual player So much I would never have bought this, there should be a balance and there isn’t, even though I’ve got my money’s worth out of D2 i still feel ripped off. And now with the Activision patent for the matchmaking system that actively attempts to manipulate you into spending more money gaming is starting to suck.

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    • Because this is D2 2 months in. Comparing it to y3 of D1 is just ignorant.

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      • [spoiler]it r 2 crzy 4 me.[/spoiler]

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      • Play Warframe. New update come out. The game is pretty amazing, been playing 2 weeks still havent finished the campaign. Its not perfect but the devs have implemented hotfix's everyday! Literally everyday. Not trying to sound like its a bad thing. They just actively listento their community and implement changes asap. Really makes you feel like they care about you. Oww and its 100% free ;)

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      • Agreed for the most part

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      • They would of been fine with just inserting the story into d1. But they did it ass backwards. Everything they refined in d1, to just throw away. It's a disaster and I don't think it can be fixed.

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      • It's pretty simple: you (and I) are part of a small minority that like to spent lots of time grinding for the best stuff to become a legend and more importantly: better then the rest of the casual majority. That majority will start complaining about us cause we are better and eventually leave destiny what they probably would have done anyway. They are after all casual gamers who are not bonded with this franchise. Unfortunately for us the money of casuals is worth just as much as our money to Bungie and since they are the majority of their sales numbers... So now you can buy your legend at Eververse instead of grinding for it.

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        • I agree. With everything that D1 had, I really can't understand why so much of it is not in the game. The only reason I can think of is that the intend to release those things throughout the life of the game as soon cheap tactic at periodic updates.

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        • Bearbeitet von IIRustyFoxII: 10/20/2017 7:07:45 AM
          Bungie just feels it has a serious case of misguided millennials in its workforce. D2 is like one of those schools whare every kid gets a winners medal. It devalues the achievements of the more committed players and makes a mockery of the more casual player(me). (1.40-2.30 if you want to skip to my point.)

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        • Bearbeitet von Ez: 10/20/2017 7:01:19 AM
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        • What's crazy to me is that I agree with everything on that long list but still see a lot of stuff missing. You could probably double it's length without too much trouble.

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        • I just came in here to see if anybosy knws why a titans barricade does more damage then a shadow shot in pvp 🤔

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        • I feel you. I've been trying to defend Bungie over the last few weeks, when I'm reading all these posts, but I'm in the same boat now as well. I'm just bored. There's no fun in D2. I wait for reset, smash through the milestones then go play something else until next reset. It's pathetic, especially considering how much I paid for that 1-2 weeks of fun. I feel really let down by D2.

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        • Did you seriously put a Vegeta pic in this to add emotion? Sweet Jesus.

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        • I bought this game drunk one night pissed off at NHL 18 (it’s not just Bungie that puts out lazy money grab patches of previous games at full price). At first I regretted only getting the $60 version but, it seems like every post on these boards is about how bad it’s become so, I guess I made the right choice so to speak. I was never all that good at this game but did play D1 a fair amount. I’m still getting my feet wet at this one but it sounds like I’m in for disappointment.

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          • I wont lie, i used to play alit but now am gping on 7 days without touching D2. It made me look at my PS4 and say hmm what should i try? Picked up Horizon Zero Dawn and its beem amazing.

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          • Isn't it funny how 2 weeks ago post like this were replied with 'k bye' or 'stop crying'. Now everyone agrees.

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          • Well warframe is free. and with the new update , totally free! with open world incomings and moar. Destiny 2 will die fast. also pc players will get bored fast with D2 Simple.

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            • [quote]Hey all - Pwnzor here, Kill Confirmed represent. Frankly I feel strange. The Destiny 2 experience seems for the first time ... hopeless. I have defended Bungie for 3 years on every fault. Now.. I just don't know. After the Prestige Raid yesterday, I had one of those stare towards the sky with Crawling in my Skin playing as I question my commitment for the last 2 months - 3 years. For the first time ever, I feel Bungie has won - making their $60-110 buy in per player, and not giving the players what was so proudly delivered in the years of D1. Game is bought, with expansion pass, and the $10 starter Eververse package, and thats all they wanted it seems --- which makes sense from a business standpoint. Maximum profit for minimal effort. I will still continue to play, mostly Trials and PVP cause I enjoy them a lot in any game, but there are real issues that need to be addressed. [b]Quick Backstory (slight boasting to give you perspective):[/b] I never thought I'd see the day where I made a post like this. I have played Destiny in its entirety since its inception in 2014. I was one of the first 50 Fireteams to complete Vault of Glass, Crotas End, POE 32/34/35 (night 1 of HOW), Kings Fall. I was the Worlds First Titan to Solo Crota (just google Mr Pwnzor). I have gone Flawless as many times as I've stepped into Trial to try. I have completed the D2 raid on 2 separate accounts over 15 times. I have collected every exotic in all versions of the game. [u][b]NOW GETTING INTO THE ISSUES[/b][/u] On a given forum, there is normally a complaint about a few things that could use tuning. When you isolate those issues, they can be defended by a majority of hardcore players. When you compile the list and really stare at it, it's really just not something I can defend. If the technology and innovation for the below existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2? [b]"It's Crazy to Me” (My gripe with D2):[/b] [1] It's crazy to me that Power Level doesnt matter [2] It's crazy to me that they removed Weapon Rolls for replayability [3] It's crazy to me that 90% of Guns are useless regardless of [2] [4] It's crazy to me that Armor Ornaments no longer exist in game [5] It's crazy to me that Sparrow collection comes entirely from Eververse [6] It's crazy to me that Shader collection (less Trials and Raid) comes entirely from Eververse [7] It's crazy to me that Ship collection comes entirely from Eververse [8] It's crazy to me Token Systems become irrelevant after playing for 2 days [9] It's crazy to me that there are no Strike Specific Loot Options [10] It's crazy to me that there isn't a 6v6, 3v3, or additional PVP options [11] It's crazy to me that there are no Secret Exotics or Easter Eggs (Oryx Basketball Court) [12] It's crazy to me that Exotics look unique, feel unique, but do not act unique [13] It's crazy to me that Max Power Level can be reached with never doing endgame [14] It's crazy to me that there are no means of World Collection (Ghost, Calcified Frags, etc). [15] It's crazy to me that Raids give no incentive for replay-ability (seriously - I used to farm the SH!T out of raids for Ships, Raid Coveted Exotics, Shaders, etc.) [16] It's crazy to me that Vault of Glass is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [17] It's crazy to me that Crotas End is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [18] It's crazy to me that Kings Fall is 2 years older and yet seems 2 years ahead of Leviathan [19] It's crazy to me that Hard Mode (and frankly Normal Mode) Raid are simply for Vanity [20] It's crazy to me that Leviathan Raid is a Gameshow and not a Raid [21] It's crazy to me that Factions do not always exist [22] It's crazy to me that I have 2700 Legendary Shards and nothing to spend them on [23] It's crazy to me that no one looks forward to Xur [24] It's crazy to me that there is no arena like POE [25] It's crazy to me that there is no open world arena like Court of Oryx/Archons Forge [26] It's crazy to me that Sparrow Racing isnt in the game [27] It's crazy to me that Sparrows cant do backflips like the Hotwheels Sparrow TDB model [28] It's crazy to me that the meta leans towards 1 path 1 subclass for each class [29] It's crazy to me that Planetary Materials are useless [30] It's crazy to me that gear doesn't require being upgraded (took legit 3 seconds) [31] It's crazy to me that Trials isnt even hard this year [32] It's crazy to me that Public Events, Lost Sectors, Chest Looting, Adventures - are all useless [33] It's crazy to me that this Game is so casual it has driven all of my best mates away [34] It's crazy to me that I will continue to play with hopes of it becoming better [35] It's crazy to me that I can even see myself playing a different game soon, only 1 month after release. TL:DR The technology and innovation for the above existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2. If it is a means of having people pay for more Content, then that is just wrong. Bungie has made the game too casual in an attempt to cater to everyone. Even the casuals find it too casual. Hoping there is a light at the end of this Dark, Dark tunnel. I can guarantee one thing - if there isn't a raid being release in the December DLC, alongside a complete loot system and token system overhaul, then this game is going to die.[/quote] I agree completely

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            • Here's what I think Agree. Disagree. Doesn't matter 1. 2. 4. 3. 5. 9. 6. 8. 10. 7. 13. 11. 12. 23. 14. 26. 33. 15. 16. 17. 18. 19. 20. 21. 24. With 22 I would have to say bull shit there's always something to spend on in game so I can only guess this is coming from some selfish raid junkie that couldn't care less about the rest of the community you didn't address three main problems 1. The infusing system 2. Light level progression 3. Character & enemy character balance for all areas

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            • Bearbeitet von DrMaus: 10/20/2017 5:13:01 AM
              You are a hardcore player, without doubt. And you did play the beta, with high probability. Why don't you close the chapter 'Destiny 2' for yourself and why don't you go on playing Destiny 1? All better there, so stay there. But don't expect Bungie to change the game for your wishes. You are not alone. There are many guardians satisfied or not disappointed.

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            • https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/10/19/bungie-and-activisions-badly-scheduled-deal-is-what-hurt-destiny-2-the-most/ Found this article and it makes a good point on why D2 is so bad right now.

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