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After 3 Years of Defending Bungie, I Never Thought I'd Say This... (3 Year Destiny Veteran)

Hey all - Pwnzor here, Kill Confirmed represent. Frankly I feel strange. The Destiny 2 experience seems for the first time ... hopeless. I have defended Bungie for 3 years on every fault. Now.. I just don't know. After the Prestige Raid yesterday, I had one of those stare towards the sky with Crawling in my Skin playing as I question my commitment for the last 2 months - 3 years. For the first time ever, I feel Bungie has won - making their $60-110 buy in per player, and not giving the players what was so proudly delivered in the years of D1. Game is bought, with expansion pass, and the $10 starter Eververse package, and thats all they wanted it seems --- which makes sense from a business standpoint. Maximum profit for minimal effort. I will still continue to play, mostly Trials and PVP cause I enjoy them a lot in any game, but there are real issues that need to be addressed. [b]Quick Backstory (slight boasting to give you perspective):[/b] I never thought I'd see the day where I made a post like this. I have played Destiny in its entirety since its inception in 2014. I was one of the first 50 Fireteams to complete Vault of Glass, Crotas End, POE 32/34/35 (night 1 of HOW), Kings Fall. I was the Worlds First Titan to Solo Crota (just google Mr Pwnzor). I have gone Flawless as many times as I've stepped into Trial to try. I have completed the D2 raid on 2 separate accounts over 15 times. I have collected every exotic in all versions of the game. [u][b]NOW GETTING INTO THE ISSUES[/b][/u] On a given forum, there is normally a complaint about a few things that could use tuning. When you isolate those issues, they can be defended by a majority of hardcore players. When you compile the list and really stare at it, it's really just not something I can defend. If the technology and innovation for the below existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2? [b]"It's Crazy to Me” (My gripe with D2):[/b] [1] It's crazy to me that Power Level doesnt matter [2] It's crazy to me that they removed Weapon Rolls for replayability [3] It's crazy to me that 90% of Guns are useless regardless of [2] [4] It's crazy to me that Armor Ornaments no longer exist in game [5] It's crazy to me that Sparrow collection comes entirely from Eververse [6] It's crazy to me that Shader collection (less Trials and Raid) comes entirely from Eververse [7] It's crazy to me that Ship collection comes entirely from Eververse [8] It's crazy to me Token Systems become irrelevant after playing for 2 days [9] It's crazy to me that there are no Strike Specific Loot Options [10] It's crazy to me that there isn't a 6v6, 3v3, or additional PVP options [11] It's crazy to me that there are no Secret Exotics or Easter Eggs (Oryx Basketball Court) [12] It's crazy to me that Exotics look unique, feel unique, but do not act unique [13] It's crazy to me that Max Power Level can be reached with never doing endgame [14] It's crazy to me that there are no means of World Collection (Ghost, Calcified Frags, etc). [15] It's crazy to me that Raids give no incentive for replay-ability (seriously - I used to farm the SH!T out of raids for Ships, Raid Coveted Exotics, Shaders, etc.) [16] It's crazy to me that Vault of Glass is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [17] It's crazy to me that Crotas End is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [18] It's crazy to me that Kings Fall is 2 years older and yet seems 2 years ahead of Leviathan [19] It's crazy to me that Hard Mode (and frankly Normal Mode) Raid are simply for Vanity [20] It's crazy to me that Leviathan Raid is a Gameshow and not a Raid [21] It's crazy to me that Factions do not always exist [22] It's crazy to me that I have 2700 Legendary Shards and nothing to spend them on [23] It's crazy to me that no one looks forward to Xur [24] It's crazy to me that there is no arena like POE [25] It's crazy to me that there is no open world arena like Court of Oryx/Archons Forge [26] It's crazy to me that Sparrow Racing isnt in the game [27] It's crazy to me that Sparrows cant do backflips like the Hotwheels Sparrow TDB model [28] It's crazy to me that the meta leans towards 1 path 1 subclass for each class [29] It's crazy to me that Planetary Materials are useless [30] It's crazy to me that gear doesn't require being upgraded (took legit 3 seconds) [31] It's crazy to me that Trials isnt even hard this year [32] It's crazy to me that Public Events, Lost Sectors, Chest Looting, Adventures - are all useless [33] It's crazy to me that this Game is so casual it has driven all of my best mates away [34] It's crazy to me that I will continue to play with hopes of it becoming better [35] It's crazy to me that I can even see myself playing a different game soon, only 1 month after release. TL:DR The technology and innovation for the above existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2. If it is a means of having people pay for more Content, then that is just wrong. Bungie has made the game too casual in an attempt to cater to everyone. Even the casuals find it too casual. Hoping there is a light at the end of this Dark, Dark tunnel. I can guarantee one thing - if there isn't a raid being release in the December DLC, alongside a complete loot system and token system overhaul, then this game is going to die. EDIT: All - just wanted to say thank you all for reading and providing your comments, concerns, and criticisms. We have been top trending for almost 24 hours. Trials has been canceled since this post (crazy?). I will continue to play PVP but let’s hope bungie makes the little changes we would enjoy so much! EDIT 2: Guardians, we’ve reach 1000 upvotes which is truly something else! I wish I could respond to all of your questions and concerns but there are just so many posts now. I’ll give some quick general responses here —�— I think pvp is fun and don’t have many issues (I know many do), I think selling old features as DLC is cash grabbing, I love destiny still just want the inherently needed changes, population should not be dropping this fast, any comprehensive MMORPG in history has expanded its world not shrunk it regardless if they dumbed it down, Trials being canceled makes me sad; all being said I am GOING TO STAY HOPEFUL. [b]ADDITIONALLY -[/b] I have put a job application in with Bungie. As an avid video gamer and dedicated player since Halo 1, with professional experience in WOW and other titles, I feel I could help the team. I am a mechanical and control systems engineer doing project management in New York City currently. My background and professional experience certainly makes me qualified. This has always been a dream of mine - I haven’t given up yet, so maybe I can help. Hope Luke Smith or Cozmo see this and spread the word lol.

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    • wel said... now, lets see wich filthy casuals dare to defend this game

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      • Hello I just loaded up destiny 2 and it said something about a limited license agreement should I know what it is or what and I'm on Xbox one.?

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        • Starting to feel exactly the same, it's so disappointing that they have no new loot for hand mode and challenge mode now. I don't understand what the incentive is, I'm struggling to understand and defend the decisions made. I'm disgusted by the complete disregard for players time and effort. They don't seem to understand the people that play this game, they also don't seem to understand the game they created. Too many changes that just don't make sense at all.

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          • Evil within 2 .... bye D2

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          • Well said..I have no point in playing other than the fact of shooting shit,

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          • told you so.

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          • Which game are you going to play instead of D2? I'm looking for something, too.

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            • Splinter Cell changed too much in their game after Pandora Tomorrow and turned the game to sh1t and after a couple of weeks there were hundreds of copies of new releases back in the store for re sale which continued after every new edition. Destiny 2 is another classic case of , "if it ain't broke don't try to fix it". You would think this simple fact would be apparent to Bungie. The hard creative development work was already built in Destiny 1 all Destiny 2 needed was more content without taking anything away. No grind for gun rolls, no perks on raid armour, not enough exotic quests, little replayability, little incentive to play hard raid for just different colour armour, no strike specific loot, doesn't appeal to hard core players who amount to millions and caters for the casual gamer who also amount to millions but rarely puts the game in the tray. Where does this leave the longevity of the game? In tatters. This was a really bad move by Bungie on a Splinter Cell scale or is it part of a plan to make players desperate for new dlc?

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              • Honestly, if D1 offered, lets say 100 hours to a casual player, what D2 offers? A casual is casual, he/she would spend the same time. So what is the point to focus casual players? I just dont get what Bungie tries to do 😢

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                • I'm still trying to figure out what to do with all these tokens. I can't get gear at my level, all the gear have the same rolls, wtf? It's like putting money into a slot machine, with no hopes of winning.

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                  • i only reply the first one, cause other are some true some false, but the 1st one, it's LOL, They remove the Level difference in crucible so you can be EQUAL to your opponent. Easy.

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                  • I'll admit I'm a casual, been with destiny since D1 beta, completed all the raids multiple times (Apart from WOTM & Leviathan) but I loved the social aspect of the game, the loot, the customisation etc... but most of that has gone now... I spent £90 on the limited edition pre-order expecting an improvement on an already solid (Rise of Iron) foundation... and yet after a month I am bored, I am already up to 303 & 302 on two characters without attempting the raid or trials so my thought process is what's the point... I will be giving the raid & trials a go at some point but when I can just as easily reach max level with relatively no effort by doing my milestones then I might as well! My friends are on the same boat as me and currently about to purchase Assasins Creed or COD when they arrive... As I've already bought the DLC's (Played right into their hands) I will no doubt come back to see if there has been any improvements but I honestly feel that I'll be disappointed yet again... There was so many easy wins that Bungie has passed on which is just mental IMO... Sure make a quick buck, but with a little extra effort you could have a game changer on your hands! So sad to see a game with so much potential go stale after one month, and I know people are saying it's the minority that are voicing their opinion and being generally negative about the game but that's not what the figures are saying... the drop off after 1 month is crazy! The fact that after 265 a lot of the game becomes pointless is crazy, the lost sectors are not lost and give pointless loot, the token system is trash, the faction war was a huge missed opportunity, Iron Banner was actually quite fun only from a game play perspective (Might be different for a lot of you, but the rewards were garbage, I can't comment on trials as I haven't attempted yet & same goes for the raid (Although I am not impressed from what I have heard. And as OP said the fact I haven't attempted any endgame activities apart from the NF and I am pushing on max level is ridiculous... When you have the fans coming up with pretty simple ideas and concepts that would benefit the game indefinitely, that's when you know something's up... See: [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/770s51/visual_weapon_screen_concept_suggestion_to/[/url] & [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/76qnlp/a_conceptual_detailed_visual_rework_of_the_vendor/[/url]

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                  • %90 is lie and make no sense , or you lie for prove your wrong idea dont agree d1 vanilla and d1 y3 was dark ages get a life thanks

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                    • Feels really bad to be a Destiny fan..

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                    • We [i]the console community[/i] are being properly -blam!-ed over by bungie now :/ They've now "cancelled" trials until Nov 3rd because of an "emote glitch" Nevermind that trials drops on PC on Nov 3rd [i]I think we've to ignore that bit[/i] Why don't bungie just tell us the truth like this?? [quote]Hi console asshats! we've decided to cancel trials until PC has it! Umm shit... I thought we had more for TWAB :/ oh yeah!! -blam!- you community [/quote]

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                    • This game is like heroin. People list all the negative/bad things about the game but in the same post they claim they will keep playing. It's hilarious to read.

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                      • So you're a try hard with too much time on your hands. Got it

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                        • This game is trash. Absolute trash. You have supers that can't kill other supers but then others that can, pulse grenades that do way too much damage and are the only reason some people have a 1.0 KD, emotes that let you glitch through walls and then get the only thing that keeps people playing (Trials) Cancelled, and a hard raid that offers literally nothing. Time to find a new game already.

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                        • After struggling to find people to do prestige raid, and going through the gripe, I'm realising now, destiny 2 has been like a downgrade for sure, all these items are very valid points and need to be addressed quick, then I turn my Xbox on this morning and they have a sale on destiny2! Not the expansions alone, just the deluxe or base game, says it all really, says it all!

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                        • Agree on all points. The reviews and fan feedback on ttk and roi were so good, why they would remove and change so much is beyond me. All destiny needed was deeper subclasses and rpg elements and a better story/campaign. The only thing D2 did better was dialogue, cutscenes and story. Everything else went backwards. Sad...

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                          • You are not a veteran. Your opinion is noted. Your ridiculous play time discounted. This is a console game. You treated it like a pc mmo. i play regularly and enjoy myself greatly. Your issue is a desire for instant gratification, evidenced by your play time. See ya in a year when you love the game.

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                            • Nice to see a pedigree player adding voice to the issues, and I agree with everything said but Bungie will probably not do much until it has finished milking the PC release

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                            • I said in a previous post Bungie were on the ropes over a week ago. now there taking a standing 8 count. I'm a 3 year plus player and like many are being turn away by D2. Fortnite a good crack if your looking for some fun

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