Hey all - Pwnzor here, Kill Confirmed represent. Frankly I feel strange. The Destiny 2 experience seems for the first time ... hopeless. I have defended Bungie for 3 years on every fault. Now.. I just don't know.
After the Prestige Raid yesterday, I had one of those stare towards the sky with Crawling in my Skin playing as I question my commitment for the last 2 months - 3 years. For the first time ever, I feel Bungie has won - making their $60-110 buy in per player, and not giving the players what was so proudly delivered in the years of D1. Game is bought, with expansion pass, and the $10 starter Eververse package, and thats all they wanted it seems --- which makes sense from a business standpoint. Maximum profit for minimal effort.
I will still continue to play, mostly Trials and PVP cause I enjoy them a lot in any game, but there are real issues that need to be addressed.
[b]Quick Backstory (slight boasting to give you perspective):[/b]
I never thought I'd see the day where I made a post like this. I have played Destiny in its entirety since its inception in 2014. I was one of the first 50 Fireteams to complete Vault of Glass, Crotas End, POE 32/34/35 (night 1 of HOW), Kings Fall. I was the Worlds First Titan to Solo Crota (just google Mr Pwnzor). I have gone Flawless as many times as I've stepped into Trial to try. I have completed the D2 raid on 2 separate accounts over 15 times. I have collected every exotic in all versions of the game.
[u][b]NOW GETTING INTO THE ISSUES[/b][/u]
On a given forum, there is normally a complaint about a few things that could use tuning. When you isolate those issues, they can be defended by a majority of hardcore players. When you compile the list and really stare at it, it's really just not something I can defend.
If the technology and innovation for the below existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2?
[b]"It's Crazy to Me” (My gripe with D2):[/b]
[1] It's crazy to me that Power Level doesnt matter
[2] It's crazy to me that they removed Weapon Rolls for replayability
[3] It's crazy to me that 90% of Guns are useless regardless of [2]
[4] It's crazy to me that Armor Ornaments no longer exist in game
[5] It's crazy to me that Sparrow collection comes entirely from Eververse
[6] It's crazy to me that Shader collection (less Trials and Raid) comes entirely from Eververse
[7] It's crazy to me that Ship collection comes entirely from Eververse
[8] It's crazy to me Token Systems become irrelevant after playing for 2 days
[9] It's crazy to me that there are no Strike Specific Loot Options
[10] It's crazy to me that there isn't a 6v6, 3v3, or additional PVP options
[11] It's crazy to me that there are no Secret Exotics or Easter Eggs (Oryx Basketball Court)
[12] It's crazy to me that Exotics look unique, feel unique, but do not act unique
[13] It's crazy to me that Max Power Level can be reached with never doing endgame
[14] It's crazy to me that there are no means of World Collection (Ghost, Calcified Frags, etc).
[15] It's crazy to me that Raids give no incentive for replay-ability (seriously - I used to farm the SH!T out of raids for Ships, Raid Coveted Exotics, Shaders, etc.)
[16] It's crazy to me that Vault of Glass is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan
[17] It's crazy to me that Crotas End is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan
[18] It's crazy to me that Kings Fall is 2 years older and yet seems 2 years ahead of Leviathan
[19] It's crazy to me that Hard Mode (and frankly Normal Mode) Raid are simply for Vanity
[20] It's crazy to me that Leviathan Raid is a Gameshow and not a Raid
[21] It's crazy to me that Factions do not always exist
[22] It's crazy to me that I have 2700 Legendary Shards and nothing to spend them on
[23] It's crazy to me that no one looks forward to Xur
[24] It's crazy to me that there is no arena like POE
[25] It's crazy to me that there is no open world arena like Court of Oryx/Archons Forge
[26] It's crazy to me that Sparrow Racing isnt in the game
[27] It's crazy to me that Sparrows cant do backflips like the Hotwheels Sparrow TDB model
[28] It's crazy to me that the meta leans towards 1 path 1 subclass for each class
[29] It's crazy to me that Planetary Materials are useless
[30] It's crazy to me that gear doesn't require being upgraded (took legit 3 seconds)
[31] It's crazy to me that Trials isnt even hard this year
[32] It's crazy to me that Public Events, Lost Sectors, Chest Looting, Adventures - are all useless
[33] It's crazy to me that this Game is so casual it has driven all of my best mates away
[34] It's crazy to me that I will continue to play with hopes of it becoming better
[35] It's crazy to me that I can even see myself playing a different game soon, only 1 month after release.
TL:DR
The technology and innovation for the above existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2. If it is a means of having people pay for more Content, then that is just wrong. Bungie has made the game too casual in an attempt to cater to everyone. Even the casuals find it too casual.
Hoping there is a light at the end of this Dark, Dark tunnel. I can guarantee one thing - if there isn't a raid being release in the December DLC, alongside a complete loot system and token system overhaul, then this game is going to die.
EDIT: All - just wanted to say thank you all for reading and providing your comments, concerns, and criticisms. We have been top trending for almost 24 hours. Trials has been canceled since this post (crazy?). I will continue to play PVP but let’s hope bungie makes the little changes we would enjoy so much!
EDIT 2: Guardians, we’ve reach 1000 upvotes which is truly something else! I wish I could respond to all of your questions and concerns but there are just so many posts now. I’ll give some quick general responses here ——
I think pvp is fun and don’t have many issues (I know many do), I think selling old features as DLC is cash grabbing, I love destiny still just want the inherently needed changes, population should not be dropping this fast, any comprehensive MMORPG in history has expanded its world not shrunk it regardless if they dumbed it down, Trials being canceled makes me sad; all being said I am GOING TO STAY HOPEFUL.
[b]ADDITIONALLY -[/b] I have put a job application in with Bungie. As an avid video gamer and dedicated player since Halo 1, with professional experience in WOW and other titles, I feel I could help the team. I am a mechanical and control systems engineer doing project management in New York City currently. My background and professional experience certainly makes me qualified. This has always been a dream of mine - I haven’t given up yet, so maybe I can help. Hope Luke Smith or Cozmo see this and spread the word lol.
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Well, even the most loyal ones start slamming their fist on the table.
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3 AntwortenThis forum is depressing af atm. I know the truth hurts but jeez.. Looks like everyone turned into Zavala.
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It's as if Bungie forgot that Destiny 1 even happened. Three years of developing a working formula wasted and thrown away.
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2 AntwortenSpot on man. Not walking away myself, but am taking a break as it just isn’t fun.
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1 AntwortenWell put. I think you share the same views as a great many people. I shouldn't have to wait and hope but I am hoping the Dlc's will bring the game back.
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1 AntwortenI'd add another: It's crazy to me that not only did they barely make any variety of mods, but they didn't even bring them all out for every slot of armor. Why can I only have 2 grenade cooldowns(4 seconds)? So dumb and shitty of Bungie. Give people the options to have 5 grenade cooldowns if they want. Watch, they'll add those in the next DLC
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1 AntwortenI love static rolls and the reduced skill tree. Just my 2 cents.
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1 AntwortenSame I waited so long for d2 and this is what we get.....everything that made destiny 1 good they left it out of destiny 2 smh
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What if I told you that you could buy something to fix every one of the issues you have with this game through Tess Everest? https://youtu.be/Fb_7_o538dM
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1 AntwortenYou said everything. Couldn't agree more.
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1 AntwortenPoint#16 sums it up perfectly, D2 seems like the demo version of everything that D1 was. It's been extremely unimaginative and uncreative...the raid is a joke and as you level all the new adventures and lost sectors become useless. There is a lot to fix, and i'm hoping they do fix it because the three years I had with my crew and the times we had in the D1 universe were some of my favorite gaming moments ever. I don't want this to be the end, please Bungie get your shit together and fix this junk.
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6 AntwortenBearbeitet von cesar0s: 10/20/2017 9:12:27 AMWhat was so "proudly delivered" in D1...you all complained tirelessly about Destiny 1...the only people who seem to have issues with D2 are hardcore players (those who put in so many hours they're bound to hit a wall), and people who can't form their own opinions so they just regurgitate what they've read.
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I was really hyped for this game,now I feel bored even trying to play. If you think about it it's Vanilla Destiny 1 all over again which means D2 is in a bad state
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[quote]Hey all - Pwnzor here, Kill Confirmed represent. Frankly I feel strange. The Destiny 2 experience seems for the first time ... hopeless. I have defended Bungie for 3 years on every fault. Now.. I just don't know. After the Prestige Raid yesterday, I had one of those stare towards the sky with Crawling in my Skin playing as I question my commitment for the last 2 months - 3 years. For the first time ever, I feel Bungie has won - making their $60-110 buy in per player, and not giving the players what was so proudly delivered in the years of D1. Game is bought, with expansion pass, and the $10 starter Eververse package, and thats all they wanted it seems --- which makes sense from a business standpoint. Maximum profit for minimal effort. I will still continue to play, mostly Trials and PVP cause I enjoy them a lot in any game, but there are real issues that need to be addressed. [b]Quick Backstory (slight boasting to give you perspective):[/b] I never thought I'd see the day where I made a post like this. I have played Destiny in its entirety since its inception in 2014. I was one of the first 50 Fireteams to complete Vault of Glass, Crotas End, POE 32/34/35 (night 1 of HOW), Kings Fall. I was the Worlds First Titan to Solo Crota (just google Mr Pwnzor). I have gone Flawless as many times as I've stepped into Trial to try. I have completed the D2 raid on 2 separate accounts over 15 times. I have collected every exotic in all versions of the game. [u][b]NOW GETTING INTO THE ISSUES[/b][/u] On a given forum, there is normally a complaint about a few things that could use tuning. When you isolate those issues, they can be defended by a majority of hardcore players. When you compile the list and really stare at it, it's really just not something I can defend. If the technology and innovation for the below existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2? [b]"It's Crazy to Me” (My gripe with D2):[/b] [1] It's crazy to me that Power Level doesnt matter [2] It's crazy to me that they removed Weapon Rolls for replayability [3] It's crazy to me that 90% of Guns are useless regardless of [2] [4] It's crazy to me that Armor Ornaments no longer exist in game [5] It's crazy to me that Sparrow collection comes entirely from Eververse [6] It's crazy to me that Shader collection (less Trials and Raid) comes entirely from Eververse [7] It's crazy to me that Ship collection comes entirely from Eververse [8] It's crazy to me Token Systems become irrelevant after playing for 2 days [9] It's crazy to me that there are no Strike Specific Loot Options [10] It's crazy to me that there isn't a 6v6, 3v3, or additional PVP options [11] It's crazy to me that there are no Secret Exotics or Easter Eggs (Oryx Basketball Court) [12] It's crazy to me that Exotics look unique, feel unique, but do not act unique [13] It's crazy to me that Max Power Level can be reached with never doing endgame [14] It's crazy to me that there are no means of World Collection (Ghost, Calcified Frags, etc). [15] It's crazy to me that Raids give no incentive for replay-ability (seriously - I used to farm the SH!T out of raids for Ships, Raid Coveted Exotics, Shaders, etc.) [16] It's crazy to me that Vault of Glass is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [17] It's crazy to me that Crotas End is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [18] It's crazy to me that Kings Fall is 2 years older and yet seems 2 years ahead of Leviathan [19] It's crazy to me that Hard Mode (and frankly Normal Mode) Raid are simply for Vanity [20] It's crazy to me that Leviathan Raid is a Gameshow and not a Raid [21] It's crazy to me that Factions do not always exist [22] It's crazy to me that I have 2700 Legendary Shards and nothing to spend them on [23] It's crazy to me that no one looks forward to Xur [24] It's crazy to me that there is no arena like POE [25] It's crazy to me that there is no open world arena like Court of Oryx/Archons Forge [26] It's crazy to me that Sparrow Racing isnt in the game [27] It's crazy to me that Sparrows cant do backflips like the Hotwheels Sparrow TDB model [28] It's crazy to me that the meta leans towards 1 path 1 subclass for each class [29] It's crazy to me that Planetary Materials are useless [30] It's crazy to me that gear doesn't require being upgraded (took legit 3 seconds) [31] It's crazy to me that Trials isnt even hard this year [32] It's crazy to me that Public Events, Lost Sectors, Chest Looting, Adventures - are all useless [33] It's crazy to me that this Game is so casual it has driven all of my best mates away [34] It's crazy to me that I will continue to play with hopes of it becoming better [35] It's crazy to me that I can even see myself playing a different game soon, only 1 month after release. TL:DR The technology and innovation for the above existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2. If it is a means of having people pay for more Content, then that is just wrong. Bungie has made the game too casual in an attempt to cater to everyone. Even the casuals find it too casual. Hoping there is a light at the end of this Dark, Dark tunnel. I can guarantee one thing - if there isn't a raid being release in the December DLC, alongside a complete loot system and token system overhaul, then this game is going to die. EDIT: All - just wanted to say thank you all for reading and providing your comments, concerns, and criticisms. We have been top trending for almost 24 hours. Trials has been canceled since this post (crazy?). I will continue to play PVP but let’s hope bungie makes the little changes we would enjoy so much![/quote] Definitely up voting this. You aren't acting like a little spoilt child like most complaint posts on this forum. Every single point you make is completely valid and has merit. I literally agree with all of them. I held out so much hope for this game, pre ordered the £100 version (congrats to marketing there). I honestly love the game play, the graphics, the planets, the scenery. But as you state, so much is missing that should be there and was in D1. Just as an added thing, you missed out heroic strikes, real strike bounties (not challenges making you use a subclass you don't want to), and also the strike medal system. 'crawling in my skin, THESE WOUNDS THEY WILL NOT HEAL'. What winds me up the most I have to say is legendary shards, in D1 they are actually useful, in D2 they are just shiny turds covered with purple glitter. I want this game to succeed so much, but, as you've acknowledged, major changes need to be made
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D2 seems to me exactly what happened with mass effect from 1 to 2. It went from rpg to action rpg. They dumbed everything down to make it easier for the casual player to understand. I miss my huge hunter perk tree (if you could call it a tree). I agree with everything you said. I would like to point out that they had screwed with d1 balancing so much it wasn’t even close to y1 so it seems they just started over completely. I really hope they continue to leak and tune this game to where it is fun for the hardcore and casual alike and the pve and pvp players alike. We can all hope
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Bearbeitet von Venom: 10/20/2017 1:03:35 PMI think I was matched up against some of the Guardians in your clan last week. If I recall correctly, they were pretty decent players, but the match ended in my favor. (My team had defeated them. It wasn't easy.) I read your post, and I understand what you are saying. I have not been playing Destiny 2 as much as I thought I would play it. I really have nothing to complain about. I have not completed the Leviathan yet, but I think it is because I don't see the reason to. I have not gone flawless yet in Trials of the Nine, but I would like to do it with my friends, It's just a matter of time. Destiny 2 does not feel like Destiny. I will continue to play Destiny 2, because I know that it WILL be my Destiny, the game that I played for countless hours. All I have to do is play the game. Light be with you, Guardians.
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if you defended bungie for 3 years , you are part of the reason why they gotten even lazier since
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6 AntwortenI'm actually glad they removed weapon rolls, I thought it was bullshit trying to compete with an opponent using a god roll when I didn't have one..and vice versa when I had a god rolled red hand 9 during the hand cannon meta
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3 Antwortenwhen anthem drops and it will which will be the direct challenge for destinys playerbase lets hope bungie hasnt peeved everyone off beyond the point of redemption by then
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I am not the creator of this video but I feel the need to share this. I feel as though destiny2 is so bad right now because it will make it easier for bungie to push micro transactions on us. https://youtu.be/Fb_7_o538dM
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3 AntwortenYou need to get a life pal. This could be a blessing in disguise. Ps .don’t tell your girlfriend about your recent achievements.
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Maybe I don't read a lot on the forums but surely by destiny 2 being on pc and the extra work that entails then this could be the deep lying problem with d2. I mean however many hours it's taken them to put d2 on pc is time they haven't put into the console version I just don't see this said a lot.
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2 AntwortenMr PwnzOr, I agree with your post in almost every point. I believe that any process that is undertaken always has errors and error corrections addressing and fixing that process. I also believe that if one tags said process with a sequel, which Destiny 2 is supposed to be, the lessons learned should be applied for further successes. The problem, I believe, is a fundamental change to the process. What I mean by this is there has been a fundamental shift to what Bungie wants this game to be and are not happy with what they produced in Destiny. I believe they want to redefine the game more in line with the Final Fantasy series of games. Furthermore, may they also want to define what type of player base they have from here on out?
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3 AntwortenIm done. Bungie has screwed us over for the last time. They have showed time and time again that not only are they incompetent fools...but that also don't give a sh*t about their customers. They punish us by taking away Trials of the Nine (their biggest pull currently besides the raid) because OF AN EMOTE GLITCH.....Instead of simply taking away the emote. THEY PUNISH US BECAUSE THERE WERE PLAYERS WHO USED IT. It blows my mind completely how they treat us. Im done. I am uninstalling D2 and getting a refund. This is not the same Bungie that I knew from my Halo days. This Bungie is a parasite.
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