I've always said that pvp should have its own weapons, I know some of you are thinking "no I got my vex and I want to use it" well you did and it got nerfed, why did you want that weapon? Because it was op and you wanted to rule pvp, the fact you want those weapons in pvp is why they should not be in there, the crucible should be about gun skill, and if your good it shouldn't matter that your gun deals the same damage as your opponents. In pve you need that holy grail of weapons, that's what we grind for, that's why we scream with joy when we get it, take that away and what's the point? I'm not saying they have to melt bosses like a lvl4 dreg, but exotics should feel a little op, that's the whole point. I'll save judgment on D2 until I've played the beta and seen reviews, one sniff of nerfs or weapons feeling lacklustre in pve and I'll give it a miss.