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9/15/2024 12:29:54 PM
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Bungie, take it easy on the pro-gamer elitism please.

Not all players have the time or the social network to do raids and etremely hard content, nor are we all inclined to do them. I mean ffs most enemies in those fights can one shot a guardian, can teleport every 2 seconds and are relentlessly unflinching... We are not all hardcore "dark souls" players here, most of us just want to play a fun fos game with a decent story. So please, give us another way to aquire the too many exotic weapons that are exclusive to raids, we ordinary players would like to enjoy those too, and the garbage you provide to us casual gamers are not a good consolation prize. You need all the players you can get, so stop spiting at the casual gamers, remember they are the ones who spend cash earned with real jobs into your content, unlike the f2p play-all-day pro gamers.

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  • There's tons of legos and exotic weapons as good or better than raids easily obtained solo. Sounds like a skill issue or entitlement. Armor? Easy to get triple 100s with just seasonal gear, no artifice needed. Raid armor is only good for the raids. So skill issue.

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    • Yeah, and now we need NF Ciphers to focus NORMAL NF weapons. That seems like a terrible move for anyone who doesn’t run GMs. If you don’t run GMs, you can’t focus NF weapons anymore. Thanks Bungie. Xur is the only way to focus NF weapons for people who don’t play GMs. What a joke! Making me not want to play at all.

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    • Hi I can't agree more, but unfortunately Bungie is not going to do anything. These forums only serve to write our sorrows and frustrations, (at least in my case). They are lazy by nature, and only listen to those who want to. Anyway, cheers to all those who have been playing the game for many years. Sorry if there is any mistake, I use a translator.

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    • Shame that Destiny balance team is unable to balance weapons for fun. It seems like they chase some kind of Dark Souls unicorn making all enemies struggle sponges, which might look good in sheets, but not fun in gameplay itself.

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      • I stopped playing because as a solo players it’s getting Very tough for me to keep up. I tried so many time on lfg, but it no one interest in helping. I feel like Bungie needs to make the game more friendly to new players and solo players. Since finishing act 1 of Echoe solo, it haven’t touched the game.

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        • Edited by Azaezel: 9/19/2024 3:42:23 AM
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          Knowledge is Power - old

          Damn right The content we paid for should be playable without having too do this and that The rewards and the activities can be seperated, so that everyone can choose what they want to play with whatever they want

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          • Edited by Franco-Nevada: 9/16/2024 6:36:30 PM
            Completely agree. I have actually been doing some of the harder content and enjoying it. Just completed the Final Shape campaign on legendary. Did a bunch of master Nightfalls and one grandmaster, etc. But I work 7 days a week running my own business so trying to get 3 players with mics together for some of these cooperative campaign missions is a serious challenge (only completed one). I've done a few dungeons, but they are a pain in the butt and the rewards are not commensurate with the effort. And then we have raids. Been here since D1 and never done one. Got invited once and had no idea what it was. Got kicked after 5 minutes without explanation. I'm reading that they can take 3 hrs on the low end for noobs with a sherpa. That is a serious time commitment. Maybe I will try and complete one just so I can say I've done it, but no way am I going to be able to complete most of them and gain access to all that locked up loot. Found this on Al Gore's internet: "When it comes to Raids in Destiny 2, only a small portion of the game's playerbase regularly engages with this content. According to Raid Report, a third-party analytics tool for Destiny 2, less than 30% of Destiny 2's playerbase has ever completed one or more Raids." So we are talking only 30% have EVER completed just ONE raid. What percent of the playerbase actually does them regularly? Probably single digits. Bungie has an inordinate amount of content that benefits such a small percentage of paying customers. There should be more worthwhile activities for the majority of their customers to do. Hopefully that is what they have in mind with some of their upcoming changes.

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          • Edited by SnakeEyes734: 9/19/2024 5:59:11 AM
            Even the world's first players who have solo raid boss clears are saying the dungeons boss health are stupid ridiculous now lol

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            • i would like to dispute your claim in the most professional manner possible. first of all i do need to say that the "pro gamers" for destiny are not free to play whatsoever....i believe there are 0% destiny2 elitists that are free to play. most elitists have either played since the launch of destiny 1 or somewhere between launch and the launch of destiny 1 kings fall expansion. the long-term elitists are good at the game because they fell in love with the game early and since then have put an embarrassing number of hours into the game which in result is why they are the current skill level they are. these long-term fans have most likely put more money into the game than anyone that may agree with your point of view. secondly destiny 2 suffered greatly after the launch of destiny 2 because they succumbed to the whims of the "casual player". as a result, it gave us a bland game with no loot grind. a successful destiny is one that gives you a reason to grind which creates replayability. destiny is best when there is a chase for that elusive exotic that will increase your damage output or open doors to new possible builds for your character. finally, i would just like to add my personal thoughts. i believe you made this post because you use lfg. i believe you feel that it is difficult to find a team to do a raid and when you finally do get into one the team collectively is not good enough to complete the raid or quits out quickly after failing once or twice which causes the team to dissolve shortly after. my advice is to join a clan. if clans won't add you because your stats aren't up to par then play more and better those stats so that you can join. if you just don't want to join a clan then i don't know why you are even concerning yourself with raids or end game content at all. im sure this thread was created out of frustration immediately after a failed raid or something along those lines. most would probably read this thread and not bother to reply, or just reply "get good" and leave it at that. i at least took the time to logically go through your points, give you alternatives, and point out that to "get good" or become an elitist you have to play, put time into the game, challenge yourself and in doing so will give you better statistics and skill as a result which will get you into the end game clans so that you may consistently complete and farm the desired raids to obtain the raid exotic that you are wanting. that is what destiny is or is best when it is.

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            • Agreed.

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            • I don't mind any game becoming more challenging, but when everything else that is offered in the game doesn't improve that's just very poor development, and this business has had over a decade to figure things out that most developers have already figured out years ago. Most of what is a challenge in this game is not worth the time because of how poorly everything else in the game is designed to work against the gamer, not improve the gamer experience, and that right there is the game's downfall. The game doesn't really offer anything to the gamer for their time spent playing which is a huge issue for [b]a looter shooter.[/b] Seriously, WTF would I run IB for loot when it returns when all the loot in that activity is literally garbage? WTF is the incentive to deal with how poorly the PvP experience is designed in this game? I say this because most of the content in this game for a looter shooter does not have any incentive to want to deal with it. It's just there for the sake of it. Think about this... Progression doesn't mean anything in this game being rest all the time. You have all this gear and weapons in this game but you are a damn marshmallow so what's the -blam!- point of leveling when everything scales with you making the gamer feel their progress is a -blam!- waste of time? Go look at actual developers who know what they are doing when it comes to progression in a game, how they make the gamer feel their time spent is actually worth the time, and the gamer can see and feel the difference as they level up in a game as their character levels up. I was playing Destiny 1 yesterday. Of course, there isn't much content or gamers to play with compared to Destiny 2, but what is easily noticed is how Destiny 2 has all this content but barely any of the content has replayability. The people who have designed Destiny 2 have designed a game to waste a gamers time more than anything else. Destiny 1 is the complete opposite of what Destiny 2 is. How do you go from making a gamer feel their time is worth it for what it was at the time to this? The only thing people are chasing is that shiny thing they don't have yet and when they get it, most realize it wasn't worth all that time spent to acquire it. That's how this business makes the majority of its entire player base feel.

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              • Edited by 境井 仁 Rinzler: 9/16/2024 2:12:55 AM
                Every single person who agrees with this post knows damn well those who want the game harder, will NEVER be pleased. Pve and pvp tryhards ruined the game we once loved. If they want a challenge in pve, its called stop wearing max lv gear and use lower light lv or blue gear then. But we all know they wont....because they're lazy. For those who say the game is stupid easy, the rest (majority) of D2 players will simply respond. "ok, good for you. Use/wear something else then." But they refuse, cry to bungie to make things harder, and THEN when players start using gear and weapons to help them survive/play at the lv they were prior...they ask for more nerfs. This can be applied to pve or pvp in this regard. Its way beyond obvious WHY players will gravitate towards the same weapons and armor, but they refuse to actually address the issue.

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                • Bump.

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                  A game for everyone is game for no one. What you are suggesting will definitely kill destiny

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                • Now that think about, what F2P players are doing raids, especially when they can only play 3 out of the 9 raids? If your gonna troll, make it at least make sense.

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                  • You want raid exotics run raids.

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                    • This has been Destiny since the very beginning (D1). Maybe you should have researched the game before buying. Endgame will always have some of the best loot. Why else play it after the first clear.

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                      • I'll take 'things that will never happen" for 800. [quote]You need all the players you can get, so stop spiting at the casual gamers, remember they are the ones who spend cash earned with real jobs into your content, unlike the f2p play-all-day pro gamers. [/quote] lil bro thinks that F2P players are raiding. lol

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                      • Edited by Avory: 9/16/2024 10:38:36 PM
                        A game that’s appeals to everyone Appeals to no one Case in point people complaining about multiplayer elements in a multiplayer game Hey if your playing dark souls would you complain about not being able to kill a boss as well P.s that last line is essentially stupidity exe

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                      • Actually... Everybody has access to lfg... Not wanting to use it isnt bungie's fault.

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                        • Edited by Zodleon: 9/17/2024 12:23:03 AM
                          [quote] ordinary players would like to enjoy those too, and the garbage you provide to us casual gamers are not a good consolation prize.[/quote] Ppl who can do raids are also "ordinary gamers" if they weren't lfg would likely not be such a **** show. And casual is a buzz word. And the majority of raid exotics were not and have never been meta necessary. The main exceptions being divinity and anarchy (before its nerfs only. it's just pretty ok now). Eyes of tomorrow, tarahaba, 1k voices, acreus, salvations edge exotic, touch if malice, collective obligation, vex mythoclast are all just ok exotics that are outclassed by other options/builds. For example, literally any rocket sidearm. Conditional finality is good and fun, probably the most fun outside of anarchy, but hardly meta defining. So stop with the "woe be the casual gamer" bs it's cringe. Just admit you're greedy and want the raid exotics without doing raids without trying to put the blame on other ppl.

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                        • Edited by Kiro - 13: 9/16/2024 9:27:42 AM
                          I feel like Bungie failed to foster more social aspects within the game that would have turned your experience of negative elitism into one of a journey with friends. I know this might seem like a [i]"take"[/i] that is far out their, but the trickle down effects of long term social interaction can have a profound impact on the longevity of a game. & ultimately make Bungie more profitable. Or in simple terms so a dolt like Pete Parsons could understand, more cars in your collection.

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                          • Over 100 exotics… only 12 raid exclusive… I can’t imagine being so pathetic at a video game as easy as this one that I have to cry about it on its forums… Yikes…

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                            • Raids in destiny are not hard. Don't kid yourself. They require only a base level of skill. Yes, I have thousands of raids under my belt. But I'm not taking the side of the elitist, no lifers and trash talking. They're not effortless raids. But they are far from "hard content." They are basically medium tier content. If that. Some raids are barely harder than strikes

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                              • Lol, excuses

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                              • Edited by JocyBossy: 9/16/2024 12:55:00 PM
                                In their recent layoff post, they said "New players are not sticking around". So their solution to make them stay is to make loot and content they'll never play or get? The elite players they are catering to are already ditching them for Warframe & 1st Descendant(hope they don't destroy those games).

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