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1/23/2020 3:14:39 PM
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Not until someone actually sues them for facilitating attacks on players and publicly showing our network addresses.
Before some Fanboy lawyer comes in and says "You accepted the eula", Eulas are null and void in my state and aren't formidable defenses.
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It's not illegal to show your IP... We've been doing it for a decade or two.
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It's not a crime to expose your public IP address... I mean, seriously -blam!- Peer-to-Peer networking, but public IP's aren't supposed to be private.
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Edited by Carbiniz3r: 1/23/2020 4:14:28 PMFacilitating criminal activity is, DDOSing anything is illegal in the US under CFAA. I literally have to go through this every year as a security audit under HIPAA for my job. Although Bungie arent the ones DDOSing players, they hold the environment that gives people the ability to do so.
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Cool, I work in network security and am a network engineer, and Bungie isn't facilitating a DDOS of anyone. They don't provide tools, they don't support the activity. Also... they don't "hold the environment that does" either. The internet is the environment. No one "holds" that. That would be like suing the road for getting hit by a car. Furthermore, how do you know it's Destiny players doing it? I mean, anyone can just ping everything on a network and start messing with anything that replies.
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I've been saying this for years and make sure I pop in the crucible once every couple months just to be sure I'm included in the inevitable class suit when the wrong (or right) person gets hit.
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Good luck getting that case to hold up in court. Someone hits someone with their Chevy and so that means Chevy can be sued right? Nope.
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Edited by Bore: 1/23/2020 4:40:09 PM[quote]Facilitating criminal activity is, DDOSing anything is illegal in the US under CFAA. I literally have to go through this every year as a security audit under HIPAA for my job. Although Bungie arent the ones DDOSing players, they hold the environment that gives people the ability to do so.[/quote] They aren’t facilitating anything...
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https://www.dictionary.com/browse/facilitating If you are saying it isnt easier to grab an IP address on Destiny 2 then lets say [u]any game with dedicated servers[/u], then you are wrong
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[quote]https://www.dictionary.com/browse/facilitating If you are saying it isnt easier to grab an IP address on Destiny 2 then lets say [u]any game with dedicated servers[/u], then you are wrong[/quote] They aren’t facilitating ddosing. If you tried to bring them to court for not having dedicated servers, you’d get laughed at.
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Just like the class action lawsuit against ring for literally the same thing huh? Of course i wouldnt. Im not a lawyer, im a Cyber Security analyst, MCSE admin, CCNA or whatever else titles my certs give me
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[quote]Just like the class action lawsuit against ring for literally the same thing huh? Of course i wouldnt. Im not a lawyer, im a Cyber Security analyst, MCSE admin, CCNA or whatever else titles my certs give me[/quote] Link the lawsuit.
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Edited by RavenousLD3341: 1/23/2020 10:33:01 PMI found the case. https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/12/27/21039517/amazon-ring-hacking-lawsuit [quote]Much of the suit seems to rest on whether or not Amazon knew its Ring devices were susceptible to hackers and that it didn’t implement security measures to protect users. [/quote] The suit suggests that Amazon knew that their devices were being hacked, and didn't do anything to prevent it. Which is also why equifax was sued. Equifax was also negligent, they failed to patch basic vulnerabilities, and had nearly all of the US consumer's private information stolen. This is vastly different than getting attacked while playing an online game. Your public IP isn't "protected" information, and Bungie isn't being openly negligent. Sure the peer-to-peer model is complete shit, but like I said they aren't doing anything illegal. A few lines up I likened suing Bungie for getting DDOSed is like suing the road for being hit by a car. I'm convinced that if this person really is a security analyst (as they claim), they are either new or bad at it.
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[quote] I'm convinced that if this person really is a security analyst (as they claim), they are either new or bad at it.[/quote] A lot of what he claims is not adding up. His state makes EULAs “null and void”?
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The only thing I can find about something like that is when an EULA prevents you from repairing your own hardware. Like, take the PS4 for example. It had that "Warranty Void if Removed" sticker. 8 states have passed "Right to Repair" laws that make stickers like that worthless. Same with EULAs that don't allow you to maintain your own hardware. The rest of the EULA might be fine, until it doesn't allow you to reasonably repair your own stuff. Since Destiny 2 is software, I'm not sure any of these exceptions will apply.
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[quote]The only thing I can find about something like that is when an EULA prevents you from repairing your own hardware. Like, take the PS4 for example. It had that "Warranty Void if Removed" sticker. 8 states have passed "Right to Repair" laws that make stickers like that worthless. Same with EULAs that don't allow you to maintain your own hardware. The rest of the EULA might be fine, until it doesn't allow you to reasonably repair your own stuff. Since Destiny 2 is software, I'm not sure any of these exceptions will apply.[/quote] I remember something like that about apple products too. It’s pretty obvious the dude wanted to sound smart. It’s a shame it didn’t work.
