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Edited by Nemo Thatch: 5/29/2014 9:51:23 PM
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Looking at [i]Escalation[/i], I'm a little pissed now that they did a (admittedly poorly-executed) comic series instead of Spartan Ops Season 2.
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  • Thats because Spartans Ops was a failure.

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  • Which is regrettable, because it was a good idea in theory, just badly executed.

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  • I'm not CRIMSON EGGHEADS KILL THEM NEW TOYS FREAKIN BAD GUYS

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  • Palmer is a horrible character. We know this. And I believe Stacker should've been put in her boots, because at least he's done some shit with his career.

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  • I just wish the art did justice to the great story 'Escalation' seems to be telling. The events are quite mammoth, and we get weak presentation.

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  • That's why I don't read comics. The art rarely impresses.

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  • The only comic I ever collected was Sonic the Comic, and that would range from great to underwhelming art. Mostly good, though. And though I say the presentation's lacking, I'd still purchase a complete Escalation collection if they released one after all issues are done.

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  • I believe they're going to release a "Volume One" in October, which might be all of them packaged together.

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  • I can sort of see why it wasn't too feasible, the scale of Escalation's story would be enough to fit a whole game in itself.

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  • That could've been done, too. New game, [i]Halo 4[/i] engine, in the fashion of [i]Halo 3: ODST[/i]. [spoiler]Halo 4: Escalation?[/spoiler]

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  • I would've been totally down for that, seems like a bit of a missed opportunity really because the Spartan Ops episodic concept has a great deal of potential. FPS titles don't typically do that sort of thing, it's generally adventure/indie games, so Halo could've pioneered that for its genre. (Of course, it pretty much still could since it still hasn't really been done.)

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  • 343 missed a lot of opportunities, really. Or misinterprets them. I still don't think it's hard to imagine S-IVs working with 'Vadam's Elites, but it was for them. And Spartan Ops could've gone through so many improvements and covered so much more with a Season 2, but... ...someone can't write worth a damn. Can we get Eric Nylund or Karen Traviss back, please?

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  • From our point of view, it's easy for us to say things like "this was a missed opportunity on their part", and perhaps it was, but at the same time I think it's somewhat unfair if we don't take a moment to step back and look at the wider context. For instance, 343 went almost the whole of Halo 4's dev cycle with only 200 employees working day and night on the game - that's about 100 fewer employees than the average Triple-A developer where they'll have somewhere between 300-330 people working for them. 343 had to build their team from scratch during the game's development, whereas Bungie was already a fully established and fully occupied studio during their time making Halo. It's really no wonder that some features were incomplete at launch for Halo 4, it's not something that looks good but again that's essentially our privilege as a consumer to say that. I can only imagine the stress that the numerous designers and programmers would've gone through with such a tight schedule and such a huge legacy to live up to. The result wasn't perfect, but it was certainly a product worthy of much of the praise it got (and the story had enough in it to warrant me writing a 50,000 word long dissertation on it, so that has to count for something...) Of course, now that 343 does have a full compliment of 300-330 people working for them, there's really no excuse for future games to suffer the same drawbacks as Halo 4. (As for writers, stick Greg Bear and Chris Schlerf in a room and give them free reign over the Reclaimer Saga and I'll die a happy man.)

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  • Edited by Lord of Admirals: 5/28/2014 11:39:07 PM
    [quote]I still don't think it's hard to imagine S-IVs working with 'Vadam's Elites, but it was for them.[/quote]We're talking about people who've grown up during a 30 year genocidal war working with the aliens who were attempting to exterminate humanity. It's easy for us to just look into Halo's universe and say, "Oh. they should do that and this!" But it's important to remember the characters don't have that luxury, and to them, the Covenant was/are a real and tangible threat. To us, they're just polygons who shout, "Wort, wort, wort!"

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  • And yet Johnson, a man who was at the very start of the war, literally at the heart of it all on the day it happened, and held a bitter contempt for the Covenant, was the one who brokered a deal with the Arbiter. He stood up first, after all of that, and made a truce with Thel. And Chief. Chief's a walking weapon with two modes. Kill or don't kill. And he'd been doing killing the Covenant for a long damn time. And he himself showed restraint. And Hood, although he admitted he could never forgive Thel's people, thanked him at Chief's memorial. And not only that, he was basically the sole pusher of peace it seems, and goes out of his way to make it so. These three people were all basically front and center throughout the entire war. And all of them showed restraint, and the ability to not only holster their weapon for once, but it was they themselves who stepped forward and offered peace. If Johnson, a man who watched Harvest burn and civilians get slaughtered, a man who no doubt went through every single bad day the war ever put out, could put aside what kept him going through the entire war, his hate, and offer a truce to a sworn enemy, why would it be so damn hard for everybody else?

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  • [quote]And yet Johnson, a man who was at the very start of the war, literally at the heart of it all on the day it happened, and held a bitter contempt for the Covenant, was the one who brokered a deal with the Arbiter. He stood up first, after all of that, and made a truce with Thel.[/quote]So are you telling me that every single human has the same traits, ideals, and perspectives as Johnson? If you haven't noticed Johnson is in the extreme minority. [quote]And Chief. Chief's a walking weapon with two modes. Kill or don't kill. And he'd been doing killing the Covenant for a long damn time. And he himself showed restraint.[/quote]He's been conditioned his entire purpose for existing is to save and protect humanity. Are you also telling me the average 26th century human is comparable to the Master Chief? [quote]And Hood, although he admitted he could never forgive Thel's people, thanked him at Chief's memorial. And not only that, he was basically the sole pusher of peace it seems, and goes out of his way to make it so.[/quote]He was the sole pusher of peace because he was practically leading the UNSC at that point. Not only that, but he's an exceptional man, are you telling me every human is going to just move on from the fact these aliens pushed humanity to the brink of extinction and rendered hundreds of human worlds inhospitable? [quote]These three people were all basically front and center throughout the entire war. And all of them showed restraint, and the ability to not only holster their weapon for once, but it was they themselves who stepped forward and offered peace. If Johnson, a man who watched Harvest burn and civilians get slaughtered, a man who no doubt went through every single bad day the war ever put out, could put aside what kept him going through the entire war, his hate, and offer a truce to a sworn enemy, why would it be so damn hard for everybody else?[/quote]Because they're all exceptional human beings who do not fit the norm. The majority of humanity only sees the Covenant as alien monsters. We have the luxury of omniscience. Don't be ignorant of how history plays out in real life.

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  • To average people, maybe not. Their views would be less informed than those of people who stood at the heart of it all, as, after all, the UNSC did keep a fair bit of their population in the dark about the covenant. But, don't you think some people would be willing to follow by example? Of the three I mentioned, Hood is the only one in the spotlight right now. Johnson's dead and likely any people that knew him are as well, so his stories and legacy belong to only a few. And chief is low, in the background. But surely, if one of the UNSC's biggest head honchos was advocating for peace, you'd think a little more might catch on no? I bet the memorial that was held after the war was broadcast all over the place, and Thel made a public appearance there for any watching to see. There's always holdouts, which is a mirror image of what's up on Sangheilios at the moment, but Hood seems to be standing alone in his campaign, which to me seems odd.

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  • [quote]To average people, maybe not. Their views would be less informed than those of people who stood at the heart of it all, as, after all, the UNSC did keep a fair bit of their population in the dark about the covenant.[/quote]Early on. You have no such evidence to support that as the Outer Colonies began to fall. [quote]But, don't you think some people would be willing to follow by example? Of the three I mentioned, Hood is the only one in the spotlight right now. Johnson's dead and likely any people that knew him are as well, so his stories and legacy belong to only a few. And chief is low, in the background.[/quote]Of course there would be. But do you really think they'll be the majority. We're talking about a 30 year long genocidal war in which tens of billions were slaughtered. Do you truly believe that the human population will just forget that happened and shake hands with their former enemies? Hell, let's not forget the Arbiter has blood on his hands. He's responsible for deaths hundreds of millions of humans, and has personally slaughtered dozens mercilessly. [quote]But surely, if one of the UNSC's biggest head honchos was advocating for peace, you'd think a little more might catch on no?[/quote]That'd be like the American public blindly following Obama as he advocates for peace and prosperity with North Korea who claim they'll stop being bad. You're forgetting that humans have their own opinions. And one of a group of aliens who unprovoked slaughtered billions over 30 years of continuous war is not going to be very high. [quote] I bet the memorial that was held after the war was broadcast all over the place, and Thel made a public appearance there for any watching to see.[/quote]"Betting" is not canon. Back it up with canonical evidence. [quote]There's always holdouts, which is a mirror image of what's up on Sangheilios at the moment, but [b][u]Hood seems to be standing alone in his campaign, which to me seems odd.[/u][/b][/quote]Not at all. They are the minority. If Aliens came to Earth today and wiped out 90% of our population and then a small group of aliens who participated in the slaughter, extended their hands for a truce, would you, given only the knowledge I presented, support such a truce?

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