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I'm curious as to why Hood will interfere with the mission. Hood doesn't seem the type of guy to just abandon a ship and some Spartans over the past.
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  • Knowing 343i it'll probably be something completely out of character or some other kind of similar bullshit, heck, they've [i]already[/i] messed up Lord Hood, this would just be making an already bad situation worse >_> Considering they've done a pretty awful job with all of the returning canon characters so far (Chief, Cortana, Halsey, Lord Hood, Mendez, and [i][b][u]especially[/u][/b][/i] the Didact) and abysmally failed at keeping them consistent with their previous characterization, their prospective plot point for Lord Hood does not sound at all promising.

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  • [quote]Knowing 343i it'll probably be something completely out of character or some other kind of similar bullshit[/quote]Are you even kidding me Coma. Really? Be skeptical if you want, but don't spew out fire-shit as if you have any clue what the hell Hood's beef with Cutter is. The summary gave the most vague possible summary of what goes on. We don't even know in what way Hood will threaten to jepordize the mission. [quote]they've [i]already[/i] messed up Lord Hood,[/quote]Yes, let's take Karen Traviss' horrid writing and say 343i purposely ripped Hood's character apart. Hell, even Karen Traviss barely messed up with Hood. [quote]Chief[/quote]Characterization is apparently bad in your eyes. I don't give a crap about your perception of what the Spartan-IIs were like, it's canon that they have sociopathic tendencies that make them machine like. Hell, even Nylund had characters in his novels calling the Spartans wind up toys. [quote]Cortana[/quote]Where in the living hell did this come from!? This is the first you've ever said anything regarding Cortana. How in the hell is her character wrong in Halo 4!? She was completely wasted and spent by rampancy. And don't tell me she already went through rampancy in Halo 3. That was the Gravemind sticking his arm up her put and making her talk like a fricken puppet. [quote] Halsey[/quote]Maybe if you'd actually pay attention to what's happening to the universe you'd realize that she's being treated like a cesspool because powerful characters put a bullseye on her to selfishly advance their own careers and agendas in an attempt to control a character who's uncontrollable. Yeah, her treatment sucks from a fan perspective but really? You're going to tell me the screwed up her character? [quote]Mendez[/quote]The war is over and he's had time to reflect on his action. Mendez was never a main character in the books, so we had no idea what he was going through at all. Sure, Traviss' portrayal of his character's transition into guilt was horrible, but don't you dare act like you knew Mendez, as if you fricken grew up with him. [quote][i][b]especially[/b][/i] the Didact[/quote]And here it is! Coma, for the last time (except it won't be the last because we're doomed to argue over this for eternity) read Silentium and stop forming opinions off of crap based off of reviews of people who don't even understand Halo correctly. And don't you dare cite the Halo 3 Terminals, because guess what. It's canon that that was the IsoDidact. So how about you man up and accept the fact you liked the IsoDidact all along, because he wasn't mind -blam!- by a Gravemind, and he's still morally and righteously correct. [quote]their prospective plot point for Lord Hood does not sound at all promising.[/quote]Then just say this!!! Did you honestly need to drag that biased mess into this? You can be skeptical, but will you stop acting like you know the Halo Universe when you've fallen hideously behind on the lore and are acting like you know what's happening based on half-assed biased summaries given by people who suck at Halo lore? [i]Screw me...[/i]

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  • .....Part 2 [quote]And don't you dare cite the Halo 3 Terminals, because guess what. It's canon that that was the IsoDidact. So how about you man up and accept the fact you liked the IsoDidact all along, because he wasn't mind -blam!- by a Gravemind, and he's still morally and righteously correct.[/quote] It doesn't matter whether 343i wanted or had to change it into some other character to try and justify their senseless violation of canon by making the Didact a generic Saturday morning cartoon villain cackling about how evil he is whilst twirling a greasy, black mustache all the while, that doesn't change the fact that the Halo 3 Terminals were written as it being the Didact and no one else. So no, I'm not going to accept feeble bullshit that doesn't even begin to fix the glaringly obvious issue and contradiction of previous character. Certainly not when that's not the only thing that the Didact being turned into the Derpdact contradicts in terms of characterization and how the character acts (Cryptum and Primordium as I already pointed out). [quote]Then just say this!!! Did you honestly need to drag that biased mess into this?[/quote] Classic "damned if you do, damned if you don't", if that was all that I said, then one or more of the same people currently commenting on this sub-tread would come along saying "well what are your reasons for this? You know that you can trust them because of "x,y, z points that have been repeated ten thousand times already". [quote]You can be skeptical, but will you stop acting like you know the Halo Universe when you've fallen hideously behind on the lore and are acting like you know what's happening based on half-assed biased summaries given by people who suck at Halo lore? [i]Screw me...[/i][/quote] Actively reading spoilers and discussions about new releases is not behind. And again with the arrogant assumptions about people you don't really know and and 99% of the time know just as much as anyone hanging around Archive. Not to mention the grossly inflated ego and sense of immense superiority. Being part of Archive or hanging around MBias does not automatically make you inherently smarter or better than any of the other countless Halo fans or former Halo fans out there.

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  • [quote]Are you even kidding me Coma. Really? Be skeptical if you want, but don't spew out fire-shit as if you have any clue what the hell Hood's beef with Cutter is. The summary gave the most vague possible summary of what goes on. We don't even know in what way Hood will threaten to jepordize the mission.[/quote] Going off of their trackrecord, I don't think it's at all unfair to think or assume that it will more likely than not be some manner of bullshit that doesn't really fit with the character, or just because something that's just fairly stupid in general. I don't trust anyone in 343i working on the story further than I can throw them. And if it does turn out that I'm wrong with this one particular instance, it in no way undermines any of the other countless points that have been raised by me and others ever since 343 started going downhill with the story. [quote]Yes, let's take Karen Traviss' horrid writing and say 343i purposely ripped Hood's character apart. Hell, even Karen Traviss barely messed up with Hood.[/quote] They let her do it and it happened on their watch, that's one them. Being more indirectly involved as opposed to having a very direct impact on the writing and shaping of the story does not absolve them of blame in what Traviss -blam!-ed up. Though 343i has their own mess-ups, like persisting the whole problem Traviss introduced of Hood absolutely not giving a rat's ass about Halsey in the least or what anyone does with her and being completely and totally ok with ONI doing whatever the hell they want to Halsey, irrespective of its legality or whether ONI has the authority to do it or not. If he was at all in character or behaving according to how military protocol and the law [i]actually[/i] works (both in Halo and the real world), Osman would have been arrested and thrown in the brig pending trial after her mouthing off at the Security Council meeting and demanding to know why Halsey wasn't killed like she illegally ordered. [quote]Characterization is apparently bad in your eyes. I don't give a crap about your perception of what the Spartan-IIs were like, it's canon that they have sociopathic tendencies that make them machine like. Hell, even Nylund had characters in his novels calling the Spartans wind up toys.[/quote] He already [i]had[/i] characterization and an established character [i][b][u]before[/u][/b][/i] 343i ever got their hands on the story and started perverting it. Contrary to what all of the Halo 4/343i enthusiasts like to trumpet about as gospel truth Chief (or any other Spartan) was never some blank slate with all the personality of a card-board cut-out. A character does not need to speak in order for their to be characterization or emotion displayed. Silence does not equate to "oh la-de-da, I don't care about all of this tragedy around me or anything else, I'm nothing more than a mindless robot with no emotions or feelings whatsoever", which is pretty much [i]exactly[/i] how Chief is treated in Halo 4. Even a normal soldier who's been in the military for a good portion of their life is not going to unleash whatever sadness or grief they might be experiencing after witnessing the Composer, bottling it up to sift through later when they're still in the middle of a dire situation where they need to take action does not make them inhuman or some unfeeling machine. And then there's Chief being uncharacteristically mopey and essentially turning into an emotional wreck (for a Spartan) over Cortana dying....someone, who in comparison to people like Halsey, the other Spartans, or Mendez, he barely even knows at that point as they've only been working together for not even a year. Or the fact he's suddenly hopelessly in love with Cortana. Ignoring the fact that he [i]might[/i] be one of the Spartans with a reduced or non-existent sex drive, that's [i]never[/i] been the nature of the relationship between Chief and Cortana at all. [quote]Where in the living hell did this come from!? This is the first you've ever said anything regarding Cortana. How in the hell is her character wrong in Halo 4!? She was completely wasted and spent by rampancy. And don't tell me she already went through rampancy in Halo 3. That was the Gravemind sticking his arm up her put and making her talk like a fricken puppet.[/quote] Actually no it hasn't, this might be the first time you're actually noticing it, but for a while now every time I've been mentioning the characters that 343i has derailed or let be derailed, Cortana has been a part of the list. As for being out of character, oh, I don't know the whole suddenly being in love with Chief and all of the "oh woe is me, I'm not a human and can't touch things, despair, agony, oh, such pain to not be human *swoon*" -__- [quote]Maybe if you'd actually pay attention to what's happening to the universe you'd realize that she's being treated like a cesspool because powerful characters put a bullseye on her to selfishly advance their own careers and agendas in an attempt to control a character who's uncontrollable. Yeah, her treatment sucks from a fan perspective but really? You're going to tell me the screwed up her character?[/quote] They didn't lift a finger to even remotely reconcile any of Traviss' shit with any of the rest of the series, not even a little comment like "oh yeah, just ignore that, the way Halsey's perspective is written and she's characterized in Kilo-5 isn't at all canon". Nope, they just left it alone with Halsey being whiny, weak-willed, submissive, not giving a shit at all about anything or anyone except for science and what she can learn, and not caring at all about the Spartan IIIs and even looking down on them. All of which blatantly contradict the way she's always been characterized in everything else. And it doesn't matter what characters in universe say to try and sway opinion against Halsey when one, no one they're telling it to is going to accept what they're told without question right off the bat when it's all been coming from ONI, and two, all the people trying to do the smearing don't have anywhere near enough power to accomplish that and the only thing(s) they could possibly use as material for a smear campaign is the possibly [i]the most[/i] closely guarded and classified secret around and even so much as [i]thinking[/i] about breathing a single word of it to anyone would be enough to get them carted away and tried and executed for treason or locked away from the rest of the world for the rest of their life. [quote]The war is over and he's had time to reflect on his action. Mendez was never a main character in the books, so we had no idea what he was going through at all. Sure, Traviss' portrayal of his character's transition into guilt was horrible, but don't you dare act like you knew Mendez, as if you fricken grew up with him.[/quote] As far as everyone inside Onyx is concerned the war [i]isn't[/i] over and is still raging throughout the galaxy the whole while they're trapped in there. And people don't go from behaving as they [i]always[/i] have toward someone after meeting them again years later only to completely and totally hate their guts and consider letting them starve fifteen seconds later. Mendez always behaved fairly friendly toward Halsey and maintained a respectful and professional relationship throughout the training of the IIs and acted no different when he met her again in [i]Ghosts of Onyx[/i]. He behaves exactly the way he always has and just like how he did in [i]The Fall of Reach[/i] and everywhere else he's appeared alongside Halsey. And then not even after five minutes has passed since GoO concluded with them all in the Shield World, he acts completely the opposite and like a carbon copy of Parangosky and all of the other members of Traviss' little "we absolutely despise Halsey, she is a -blam!-ing monster" club. Kilo-5!Mendez is completely and totally opposite to Nylund!Mendez as far as Dr. Halsey is concerned. And is treated as if he had [i]always[/i] thought the way he does in Glasslands. [quote]And here it is! Coma, for the last time (except it won't be the last because we're doomed to argue over this for eternity) read Silentium and stop forming opinions off of crap based off of reviews of people who don't even understand Halo correctly.[/quote] Oooh, so only you and/or your select little group of chosen friends [i]really[/i] understand Halo or what it's all about? Nice inflated ego and arrogance you have there. Especially when I've seen all of the people you'd consider ones who "really understand Halo" saying the [i]exact[/i] same things about Silentium as the so-called "people who don't even understand Halo correctly". Who are you to decide who really understands Halo or doesn't, period whether you're actually saying the exact same thing or not? All of the reviewers and subsequent discussions in those review threads on here and/or Waypoint [i]all[/i] say the exact same things and for your information, the bulk of the comments are from people like AJW/Chronarch, yourself, Cobra, MBias, CBias, OBias, Gojira, Nihilus Shadow, or any number of other people who have shown their face on or been part of Archive at one point or another. Continued in Part 2.....

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  • knowing you, when the actual answer arises and it's something that shatters your current perception you'll rationalize it to suit your own agenda again. see? i can extrapolate based on previous data and bias too!

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  • Think whatever you want, doesn't matter to me. Regardless, there's been nothing that "shatter my current perception" because everything they've done [i]backs up[/i] what I point out is wrong with it.

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  • [quote]Think whatever you want, doesn't matter to me.[/quote] then... why do you continue to view and respond to my posts? [quote]Regardless, there's been nothing that "shatter my current perception"[/quote] sure there has! *points to silentium/mendicant bias' prediction/numerous pre-launch waypoint threads* i mean, fans predicted pretty much everything that happened in halo 4/silentium before launch. no contradictions present anywhere. if you'd like me to give you examples i [i]certainly[/i] can. [quote]because everything they've done backs up what I point out is wrong with it.[/quote] continue misconstruing everything like this and you'll end up like fox news over there

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  • [quote]then... why do you continue to view and respond to my posts?[/quote] Because I feel like I can actually have a conversation/discussion/debate with you without it devolving into too much of "you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong" back and forths. At the very least it's mentally stimulating. [quote]sure there has! *points to silentium/mendicant bias' prediction/numerous pre-launch waypoint threads* i mean, fans predicted pretty much everything that happened in halo 4/silentium before launch. no contradictions present anywhere. if you'd like me to give you examples i [i]certainly[/i] can.[/quote] How exactly does predicting it make somehow shattering to opinions and perceptions that were derived [i]from[/i] said things (Halo 4, Kilo-5, Silentium, etc.)? I really don't see how predicting it or not really has anything to do with this >_> The Didact's opinions on humans in Silentium and Halo 4 quite [i]blatantly[/i] contradict Cryptum/Primordium as well as everything else we knew about the Didact before-hand. And that's just one example of many. [quote]continue misconstruing everything like this and you'll end up like fox news over there[/quote] Nothing to misconstrue about it, whether one [i]likes[/i] or [i]approves[/i] of what 343i is doing is completely subjective, but it doesn't change that it's an objective fact that pretty much everything that's been released since Glasslands has had at least [i]one[/i] major detail, plot, or anything else that you can think of, that contradicts what came before.

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  • [quote]The Didact's opinions on humans in Silentium and Halo 4 quite blatantly contradict Cryptum/Primordium as well as everything else we knew about the Didact before-hand.[/quote] Once again, [i]no[/i]. At the end of Primordium, the Timeless One tells the IsoDidact that "it is your task to kill this servant, that another might be freed". The Ur-Didact becomes this new servant the TO speaks of because he is recovered by the Gravemind and transformed into a weapon against the Forerunners. What he becomes after this maledictation are due to the influence of the Gravemind, shattering the last hopes of the Forerunners by turning their greatest commander against them and his own wife. And then, to top it all off, he botches a mutation in an attempt to immunise himself against the Flood. Bornstellar makes it clear in Cryptum that this is an IMMENSELY damaging thing for a Forerunner to experience, to the point where even their families keep them locked away and hushed up. The Ur-Didact does not suddenly decide to hate humanity, as you CONSTANTLY seem to say he does. You would, of course, understand this if you were up to date on Halo's lore, yet you insist on saying that you don't have to read this book... Can you [i]really[/i] not see the gaping flaw in your method of thinking here?

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  • [quote]Once again, [i]no[/i]. At the end of Primordium, the Timeless One tells the IsoDidact that "it is your task to kill this servant, that another might be freed". The Ur-Didact becomes this new servant the TO speaks of because he is recovered by the Gravemind and transformed into a weapon against the Forerunners. What he becomes after this maledictation are due to the influence of the Gravemind, shattering the last hopes of the Forerunners by turning their greatest commander against them and his own wife.[/quote] Doesn't matter how they attempt to justify it or with what, it's still a direct contradiction of his previous characterization, being manipulated by someone would not suddenly make you homicidally racist against a species that you never hated before in your life and wanting to wipe out and/or enslave every single one, whether they exist now or will in the future. And do you even realize how lame, overdone, and utterly [i]cliche[/i] the whole "oh, this good and great hero is now completely batshit insane and one of the primary villains now" plot is? There is nothing all that great about such a plot or original about it. Besides all that, it's all the worse because there is absolutely no point to it whatsoever, it's completely unneeded and doesn't add anything to the series at all (except pissing off and alienating people who care about the lore and consistent characters). [quote]And then, to top it all off, he botches a mutation in an attempt to immunise himself against the Flood. Bornstellar makes it clear in Cryptum that this is an IMMENSELY damaging thing for a Forerunner to experience, to the point where even their families keep them locked away and hushed up.[/quote] I don't remember any mention of it being botched, but in any case, so what? Digging up horribly lame excuses or pulling retarded justifications out of your ass doesn't make it any better or make sense, and this ties into what I mentioned above about the "he's just insane, so he's evil" cop-out being exactly that, a lame cop-out. I remember Born talking about failed mutations just fine and how they could make people go mad, and hence why it goes with the point made above and why it's meaningless and just another retarded excuse. [quote]The Ur-Didact does not suddenly decide to hate humanity, as you CONSTANTLY seem to say he does. You would, of course, understand this if you were up to date on Halo's lore, yet you insist on saying that you don't have to read this book... Can you [i]really[/i] not see the gaping flaw in your method of thinking here?[/quote] That is [i]exactly[/i] what happened. Neither in the foundation for his character laid out in Halo 3's Terminals [i][b][u]OR[/u][/b][/i] in 343i's own early canon with the Didact (Cryptum and Primordium) does he express anything remotely in resemblance to genocidal, racist, hatred of the whole entire human species and the desire to do nothing but wipe out every single one currently in existence or that ever [i]will[/i] exist. Both Cryptum and Primordium as a matter of fact completely and totally contradict that whole entire premise. People don't feel sorry about killing something or someone they hate or take pity on the objects of their hatred nor do they show it or them any kind of respect, all of which Cryptum was explicitly clear was how the Didact felt about humans after the war. The Didact greatly respected Forthencho and when he learned the truth behind the whole Human-Forerunner War and about the Flood he felt bad about the Forerunners having gone to war with humanity and all and had pity because of it. None of these are the thing a delusional, homicidal, genocidal maniac hellbent on annihilating a whole entire species would feel about the objects of his hatred, [i]ever[/i]. The hatred that the Didacts has for humans in Halo 4 [i]is[/i] something that's sudden and came completely out of the blue as it is not supported by [i][b][u]any[/u][/b][/i] of the rest of the series. I am completely and totally up to date on every single piece of bullshit that 343i has been pooping out and shoving down the fans' collective throats. Reading or seeing the bullshit for myself is not something I need to waste my time on when summaries on places like Halopedia or blog posts, or on forums like Bungie and Waypoint and the subsequent discussions they spawn tell you exactly the same thing. There is no flaw whatsoever when everything I could possibly need to know about it crops up in all of the places I mentioned just now.

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  • [quote]Because I feel like I can actually have a conversation/discussion/debate with you without it devolving into too much of "you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong" back and forths. At the very least it's mentally stimulating.[/quote] well that goes against your original comment doesn't it? [quote]How exactly does predicting it make somehow shattering to opinions and perceptions that were derived from said things (Halo 4, Kilo-5, Silentium, etc.)?[/quote] lol. we're verifying whether or not those things [i]make sense.[/i] [quote]I really don't see how predicting it or not really has anything to do with this >_>[/quote] take a better look, then. predicting it accurately with the information we have beforehand only shows that there's a clear and definite continuity. [quote]The Didact's opinions on humans in Silentium and Halo 4 quite blatantly contradict Cryptum/Primordium as well as everything else we knew about the Didact before-hand.[/quote] what is isodidact [quote]And that's just one example of many.[/quote] please explain. and i have to ask, once again, whether or not you've read silentium. [quote]Nothing to misconstrue about it, whether one likes or approves of what 343i is doing is completely subjective,[/quote] then please stop painting your opinions as facts. if you'd like me to find an example of you doing so i can [i]easily[/i] find one. [quote]but it doesn't change that it's an objective fact that pretty much everything that's been released since Glasslands has had at least one major detail, plot, or anything else that you can think of, that contradicts what came before.[/quote] name the ones in silentium, please. also, here was your original point: [quote]Considering they've done a pretty awful job with [b]all[/b] of the returning canon characters so far[/quote] interesting. 343's work fits in with the lore like a glove, because they [i]made it that way.[/i] all of the changes have been nuanced to work with the series' established lore.

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  • [quote]well that goes against your original comment doesn't it?[/quote] Um, no >_> I don't care what you think about me personally or if I'm irrationally biased or not, doesn't mean, that I can't find you conversable or said conversations mentally stimulating a fair amount of the time. [quote]lol. we're verifying whether or not those things [i]make sense.[/i][/quote] Predicting something happening does not mean it makes sense. Not even a little bit. Just because some prediction about a story comes true does not mean that it automatically makes sense. [quote]take a better look, then. predicting it accurately with the information we have beforehand only shows that there's a clear and definite continuity.[/quote] If by that you mean picking and choosing what you want to support your preconceived idea and then tossing out and ignoring the rest, then yes, absolutely. [quote]what is isodidact[/quote] A shoddily constructed retcon that doesn't have any bearing on whether the Halo 3 Terminals were written as the Didact and no one else. Doesn't matter if 343i decided to go "derp, no, dis nother karicter. Derpdact is teh evulz, dur-hur-hur", it was written as the Didact and was the foundation of his character and remained so to the fans from when Halo 3 first released all the way until Halo 4/Silentium threw that out so that they could have their retarded and unneeded plot with the Didact being your generic 80s cartoon evil monster like Cobra Commander on G.I. Joe back then or Transformers G1 Megatron. ~comments on Halo 3 Terminals yet completely ignores Cryptum and Primordium and how Derpact contradicts them (I.E. 343i's [i]own[/i] canon). [quote]then please stop painting your opinions as facts. if you'd like me to find an example of you doing so i can [i]easily[/i] find one.[/quote] Liking it/accepting it as good/better is completely subjective. It breaking, violating, and otherwise trampling all over established canon is objective and a fact. [quote]name the ones in silentium, please.[/quote] Didact being evil and suddenly hating humans with all of his might and wanting nothing else but to completely and totally wipe out or enslave every single one. The Flood infecting AI, everything they'd been saying about the Forerunners and their history with the Precursors in Cryptum and Primordium as well as Ancient Humanity/San Shyu'um's dealings with the Flood....Note, though, that I said "pretty much everything" and "at least one", IE, that not everything will have the same amount of -blam!--ups or [i]might[/i] not even have any at all. That being said 7 out of 10 pissing on/violating canon is a [i]horrid[/i] track record. Silentium's biggest problem however lies more in including/throwing in things that just don't belong in Halo at all as opposed to breaches or violations in canon, though it certainly has those too. Here, [url=http://princessarien.deviantart.com/journal/Halo-and-Why-I-Hate-the-Current-Writers-362092601]Coma's comprehensive rant of everything wrong with 343i!Halo since Glasslands came out.[/url] (bear in mind, that was written as a boiling point rant and thus is not necessarily the most well constructed, organized or well put/phrased piece there is. The comments section is what you would want for that). [quote]also, here was your original point: [quote]Considering they've done a pretty awful job with all of the returning canon characters so far[/quote] interesting. 343's work fits in with the lore like a glove, because they [i]made it that way[/i]. all of the changes have been nuanced to work with the series' established lore.[/quote] If you mean by mangling the hand or slicing up the glove in order to force it on, then yes. Because otherwise the answer is no. The only way that 343i's story fits is if you pick and choose what scraps of canon even remotely support their unneeded changes and violations, then completely throw out and ignore the rest, and even then you will find that it doesn't well or might still not even fit at all.

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  • Edited by mkgj: 1/13/2014 7:47:12 AM
    *sigh* it's not worth it right now.

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  • Take however long you want to, I was going to go to bed now anyways, so might as well just type up a reply when you feel like doing it, if you decide you want to type one up at all. No hurry.

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  • mine was far too idealistic and angry this time around maybe i'll reply later on sometime if the thread isn't dead

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  • Edited by mkgj: 1/13/2014 7:47:20 AM
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