Naturally we were bound to see this one fly around the forums but I'm quite intrigued by the prevailing take on it.
Of course, we have no real way of knowing who would win in a fight. We have lore feats for both of them, but nothing solid enough to truly know. Yet the overwhelming consensus seems to be that Rhulk would stomp Oryx, but with very little explanation actually as to why. I want to know why people think Rhulk would destroy Oryx.
Sure Rhulk was behind the hive all along, but that doesn't necessarily make him more powerful than them. Savathun proved that. Xita's fear of him would indicate to me that he must be quite powerful but Oryx too amassed great power in his time.
The other thing people fall back on is Rhulk's one feat of raw power in the lore, tearing the rib from the Leviathan. People act like this is a massive deal, but I'm sceptical that it's as glorious as people say. The Leviathan may have been keeping watch over the worms, but there's no indication that it was what imprisoned them. Nor is there anything to suggest that the Leviathan was some great powerhouse in a fight. On the contrary, we see many examples of it avoiding fights even when they're important. So I'm hesitant to suggest it's some sort of super powerful beast. The other thing I take issue with is Rhulk's version of events, describing the removal as taking a 'mere infinitesimal amount of time', a subjective phrase if I've ever heard one. Especially because Rhulk seems to feel insecure in his position, he just strikes me as the kind of guy to twist the truth in a way that makes him look better. Once again though Xita is his saving grace because she seems to think it was a big deal as well.
Regardless Oryx had a number of comparable feats to this anyway.
Any thoughts on this match up or my take on it? I think it really could probably go either way, but would slightly give Rhulk the edge because he was a capable killer long before the Darkness blessed him with power.
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Edited by DarkenedAcolyte: 3/26/2022 10:39:16 AMOryx wouldn’t be Oryx without his command of a PIECE of the Darkness. Rhulk has a LITERAL UNTAPPED FONT OF DARKNESS TO USE. That’s it. That’s all you need to know
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On paper we never should have been able to defeat Oryx, and even if we did it wouldn’t matter. He’d have just taken every non-guardian in the SOL system. Game. Set. Match.
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7 RepliesPower structure. Guardians are vastly more powerful now then when we fought Oryx. Going by that factural measure alone shows the massive power disparity between Orxy and Rhulk. Not only is Rhulk the sole reason for why the Hive are the way they are, Rhulk is also incredibly power as Mara Sov tried to warn us about the dark power within the Pyramid. No, Oryx is powerful to a degree, but when compared to Rhulk? Oryx pales in comparison.
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3 RepliesEdited by Ferus Lux: 3/25/2022 3:00:10 AMRhulk made the mother of all Worms his ***** to create the very Worm that Oryx used to gain power. He is a child compared to Rhulk and it isn't really even up for debate. In the blink of an eye he ripped out the rib of the Leviathan, a being that kept the Worm gods sealed. That is why this is a big deal...aside from the crazy speed feat. The Worm Gods couldn't touch the Leviathan and we know now that the Hive were only able to later kill it due to it being gravely wounded. His Resonance power is way above Oryx's Worm magic which is literally manufactured imitation Darkness. Considering he created the Worms, I'm sure he has ways of exorcising it in ways that would make Mara jealous. Rhulk rises from the deep. Sorry Oryx.
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5 RepliesI’ve said this in another post before. Oryx vs Rhulk wouldn’t be a fight. It would be a one-sided beat down in Rhulk's favor.
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[quote]Naturally we were bound to see this one fly around the forums but I'm quite intrigued by the prevailing take on it. Of course, we have no real way of knowing who would win in a fight. We have lore feats for both of them, but nothing solid enough to truly know. Yet the overwhelming consensus seems to be that Rhulk would stomp Oryx, but with very little explanation actually as to why. I want to know why people think Rhulk would destroy Oryx. Sure Rhulk was behind the hive all along, but that doesn't necessarily make him more powerful than them. Savathun proved that. Xita's fear of him would indicate to me that he must be quite powerful but Oryx too amassed great power in his time. The other thing people fall back on is Rhulk's one feat of raw power in the lore, tearing the rib from the Leviathan. People act like this is a massive deal, but I'm sceptical that it's as glorious as people say. The Leviathan may have been keeping watch over the worms, but there's no indication that it was what imprisoned them. Nor is there anything to suggest that the Leviathan was some great powerhouse in a fight. On the contrary, we see many examples of it avoiding fights even when they're important. So I'm hesitant to suggest it's some sort of super powerful beast. The other thing I take issue with is Rhulk's version of events, describing the removal as taking a 'mere infinitesimal amount of time', a subjective phrase if I've ever heard one. Especially because Rhulk seems to feel insecure in his position, he just strikes me as the kind of guy to twist the truth in a way that makes him look better. Once again though Xita is his saving grace because she seems to think it was a big deal as well. Regardless Oryx had a number of comparable feats to this anyway. Any thoughts on this match up or my take on it? I think it really could probably go either way, but would slightly give Rhulk the edge because he was a capable killer long before the Darkness blessed him with power.[/quote] Even Crota was harder than Oryx. Crota, was so beast you could only kill him w a Hive sword. No exceptions.
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Oryx and his sisters' armies when first given power struggled to take the leviathan down. Rhulk apparently easily subdued the beast. This is where the Leviathan argument comes into the picture. Another thing that should be brought up is that Xita was desperate and her larval worms were weak, accepting Rhulk's power gave them strength. We don't actually know what would have happened if Xita and Rhulk truly fought, but she stayed subdued to protect her children. We know the Witness desired the worms' power, though we don't know if it was because of Rhulk's lack of it or if it was just a pinnacle of power in an important place. Another thing to bring up is that one of Oryx's main strength was the ability to take, and convert near-gods to the Witness's will. If Rhulk was fighting Oryx, it would most likely be because he turned on the Witness or Rhulk, and that power of taking would have been stripped away much like it was with Savathûn. When she started to work against the Witness, the power of the taken was given instead to Xivu Arath. (If I got any lore points wrong I apologize, this is all from memory and from my perspective) All in all, there are too many unknowns to Rhulk's power, he's still a brand new addition to the game whereas the hive's story has been built up over years, giving us much more insight into just how powerful the hive were.
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I do think Oryx could hold his own to the point of it being a stalemate so long as the fight was in his Dreadnaught. Oryx is nigh-unkillable through the sword logic (Rhulk’s only option) while inside his throne world, which the Dreadnaught is. (The hive have a holiday all about turning things inside out because of this). If Oryx ever left the Dreadnaught, I’m pretty sure Rhulk would win. Rhulk has killed massive virtually unassailable beings. Oryx would be no different when outside his domain. The only thing keeping Oryx from losing being that Rhulk can’t overcome Oryx in his throne world via the sword logic.
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Edited by Konnen73: 3/25/2022 4:02:21 PMThe exaggerated swagger of a tall boi with a stick vs some 3-eyed @ssgoblin with parenting issues.
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10 Replies“Oryx amassed a great amount of power in his time” Who said oryx is dead hmmmm
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Maybe because Oryx merely borrowed the power to take from the guys who basically are the Deep? Because Rhulk created the worms and gifted them to the Hive? The Hive have been exposed to merely be pawns who were deceived. Expect Xivu Arath to be a seasonal villain. It’s Darkness time baby.
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6 Replies[quote]Naturally we were bound to see this one fly around the forums but I'm quite intrigued by the prevailing take on it. Of course, we have no real way of knowing who would win in a fight. We have lore feats for both of them, but nothing solid enough to truly know. Yet the overwhelming consensus seems to be that Rhulk would stomp Oryx, but with very little explanation actually as to why. I want to know why people think Rhulk would destroy Oryx. Sure Rhulk was behind the hive all along, but that doesn't necessarily make him more powerful than them. Savathun proved that. Xita's fear of him would indicate to me that he must be quite powerful but Oryx too amassed great power in his time. The other thing people fall back on is Rhulk's one feat of raw power in the lore, tearing the rib from the Leviathan. People act like this is a massive deal, but I'm sceptical that it's as glorious as people say. The Leviathan may have been keeping watch over the worms, but there's no indication that it was what imprisoned them. Nor is there anything to suggest that the Leviathan was some great powerhouse in a fight. On the contrary, we see many examples of it avoiding fights even when they're important. So I'm hesitant to suggest it's some sort of super powerful beast. The other thing I take issue with is Rhulk's version of events, describing the removal as taking a 'mere infinitesimal amount of time', a subjective phrase if I've ever heard one. Especially because Rhulk seems to feel insecure in his position, he just strikes me as the kind of guy to twist the truth in a way that makes him look better. Once again though Xita is his saving grace because she seems to think it was a big deal as well. Regardless Oryx had a number of comparable feats to this anyway. Any thoughts on this match up or my take on it? I think it really could probably go either way, but would slightly give Rhulk the edge because he was a capable killer long before the Darkness blessed him with power.[/quote] Rhulk is way higher up the totem pole and is the right hand man of the witness, the witness values power when picking disciples, Oryx was dedicated to the darkness but not strong enough to become a disciple if the witness
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Oryx at the end of TTK? Rhulk would most likely win. Oryx in his prime? Different story. Keep in mind, before he even became the taken king Oryx kicked the -blam!- out of Akka, who was the strongest of the worm gods, including the one Rhulk captured. There is little evidence pointing to the Leviathan being stronger than Akka, but we know Akka was much, much larger than the Leviathan. Sure as hell wouldn't be an easy fight for either of them, I'd say it would come down to a coin toss.
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You mean... Anton Ego?
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Oryxs major strength was the ability to take and his faith in a lie. Ruhlk is the 1st disciple of the Witness and has been around longer, commands a vastly stronger force, and relys on his own power rather than borrowed power.
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1 ReplyIn ny opinion wed have to gauge the difference between the lightblade and oryx first as fynch says they were old rivals Id say rhulk but oryx did have a staff thing at one point so its likely the glaive in the raid is of hive inspiration or hybrid hive and black fleet tech
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1 ReplyOryx only has his ability to take going for him. The Ecumene would have utterly bodied the Hive a billion years ago if Oryx didn’t get the ultimate Mary Sue ability. All things considered, I kinda doubt Oryx would be able to just take Rhulk and call it a day.
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Edited by M0b-_Psych0_100: 3/24/2022 1:45:38 AMSavathun didn’t really prove anything though other than outsmarting him. In a straight up fight I think she knew she wouldn’t win and that’s why she took the path she did. Oryx has much as I like his character isn’t beating Rhulk he’d get bodied.
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Edited by Centaur-1: 3/23/2022 1:26:20 PMI don’t think we’ve ever seen Taken energy and the darkness that Rhulk uses side by side so it’s impossible to know for sure. I’m on Rhulk’s side for now. [spoiler][quote]Especially because Rhulk seems to feel insecure in his position, he just strikes me as the kind of guy to twist the truth in a way that makes him look better.[/quote] This almost makes me wish Rhulk survived so that when we finally start the campaign with the Witness as the main villain, Rhulk joins him as the Starcream to his Megatron. I’d really like to see this dynamic between two main villains. Mind you, I haven’t done Vow of The Disciple so I actually know nothing about Rhulk besides what we’ve been told prior to the raid and some small clips of the final boss. I have no idea if this fits his character.[/spoiler]
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The end result could vary. Oryx at the end of TTK and Oryx at the height of his prime when Crota was still tithing have vastly different levels strength given how the Hive power structure works. That said, you’re right on Rhulk since we really don’t know a whole lot about the guy. For all we know, he might have weakened a lot since his time in Sav’s throneworld. Without a proper gauge of his strength, we don’t know who would have amassed more power and a greater understanding of the Darkness even if Rhulk has been around longer and has acquainted with the Witness.
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I'm for the being that defined the reality that allowed existence to have the characters in it, and with a word could remove them from the field of play. The one that realized good and bad were unnecessary chains. Who is currently in the process of circumventing death, to become the definition of the beginning and end upon the reality they reside in. The one that left the throne "vacant", because the "throne" was no longer needed. When the gods stood on the line, looked up, and saw a boot wipe out their achievements within one swift strike...though this being only sees all his creation before him, and knows he is also out there, the other story of his.