Trials of Osiris(ToS) is a 3v3 elimination(sometimes control?) gamemode that only shows up during the weekend. It is a light level enabled gamemode, and you must have cross play enabled. It boasts some of the best PvP weapons, and with a flawless run of 7 matches you get access to even better versions of those same weapons.
Now, my confusion is with this:
Elimination, is a 3x3 game mode, available all the time, and does not require cross play. Additionally this mode will match you with "Similar skilled" opponents.
But ToS is missing that last bit. There is no skill based matchmaking. The mode is identical in almost every way to it's 24/7 cousin, but it loses it's SBMM in favor of.... what exactly? I'm trying to understand the logic of this decision. Trials is for the sweatiest of the sweats, the premiere gamemode, and yet it misses the hallmark of all sweaty gamemodes beyond just destiny, SBMM. How was this overlooked? Or better yet, why was it not included?
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Skill based match making would never work in Trials. Getting 7 straight wins would be highly improbable for any level of skill.
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3 RepliesAs someone who played the original form of Comp - SBMM isn't as great as it sounds. Of course, nice in theory, application was horrid. Taking you back a few years - I've sat in orbit upwards of 30 minutes waiting for matchmaking when it was a thing. People also found reasons around it by using people like me with low elo's at the time, making me fireteam lead, and then going in and just smashing on folks that were 0.2 k/d's. Also, if you go back on some reddit posts, about 3 years ago, a survey was conducted on what players wanted...sbmm vs cbmm - about 47% said switch to CBMM. Only 10% said they wanted to keep SBMM. Of course now, it's reversed, but remember, we had SBMM at one time, and games like CoD, and Apex have their player base asking to move to CBMM (I think original Modern Warfare was CBMM at one time) and it made for more stable connections. Trials is not meant for casual players. You or your team either have what it takes, or you don't. There's no middle ground. Sure, there are people out there good enough to carry people (I admit, in some cases, that's me), but no one is entitled to hard earned weapons gear just for existing. Even if they went with SBMM, it's so easy to manipulate, as mentioned before, that it would be even less fair. .
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1 ReplyIn a nutshell? So sweats and paid carries can't walk over everyone
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Because dudes like me with a 0.6 seasonal kd (if I'm lucky) will still suck. Good players will always be good, bad players will rarely get better, why punish the players that devote their time to concentrating on PVP to accommodate players like me. I'll still be trash against other 0.6 players.
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1 ReplyCouldn't agree more, it's the one thing stopping it from being a good experience for everyone. (Even if someone has lag it's better to be lagging against someone of similar skill rather than a three man stomp)
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1 ReplyI need 2 points 2 POINTS. For the traveller-damn pinnacle gear and I have lost 14 matches in a row. A few ended up being 2 v a fire team of 3 all with trials emblems. I’m sick of this gamemode and once I’ve got the pinnacle I’m never playing trials again. I’m actually fuming. I’m not great at crucible but I’m nowhere near as 💩 as I look in Trials.
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It's call feed the streamers.
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Edited by iMoonchildi: 3/13/2022 7:44:13 PMA ranking system would be better than SBMM, people should play pre-placement matches to assess their skill level and play in their placed bracket. If they’re good move up to next tier.. if you’re top tier you should play against top tier players. That being said their will still be weirdos who purposely throw matches to remain in lower tiers but it’s better than the current cesspool system. Common sense ain’t common, black ops 2 league play and halo before 343 took over had some of the best matching systems. Bungie imo with their lack of effort to improve PvP are saying they don’t care about it anymore. That’s one of the main reasons they created destiny.. to get away from competing PvP shooters. I’d rather them drop the playlist all together.. this seasons population is much more toxic and annoying smh
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1 ReplyI agree sbmm is needed in competitive modes always. No questions about it. Don't know why bungie thinks I can win or even have a close match with two trash cans to carry uphill
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1 ReplyWell then make raids and gms easy
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Its a tournament. You go in and face who you face. SBMM would destroy any competitiveness or would need to create tiers to remain competitive. It would basically have to turn into what comp was and that was butchered cause lower skilled players were struggling to progress
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It's a tournament, you get who you get and try to do your best
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How are you suppose to win 7 in a row versing equally skilled opponents?
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Because everyone would have to play 49 matches before they had a chance to win 7 in a row.
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2 RepliesEdited by Lord Ignatius: 3/12/2022 7:19:32 PMBecause its not about fair games and you saw what happened when bungies tried to. The real question is why team balancing is a thing in cbmm? You wanted it random yet you're still using elos and whatever crappy system to half azz gauging skill, just do sbmm then. The community and bungie is gonna learn that it has to be one or the other not both either you're not gauging skill and its completely random or your gauging skill and it has 100% sbmm no exceptions there are no in betweens.
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Lol here we go again.
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For trials to have sbmm then tiered lighthouse loot would be required. The best players to get 5 adepts per lighthouse trip and the worst players having just a chance of getting 1 adept (~70% chance), players in between getting 1-4 adepts depending on their skill bracket. Sbmm without tiered progression is terrible especially when dedicated servers don’t exist.
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Why don’t raids or gm nightfalls?? It’s endgame pvp
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1 ReplyWhy are people incapable of searching a question online before asking for the millionth time?
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4 RepliesIf sbmm was a thing, I would literally throw all my games until I reach potato level in order to get a free flawless. Not everyone cares about K.D apart from you guys on the forums so I would have no shame throwing my games to get the best loot trials has to offer.
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10 RepliesEdited by Sweet Lew 88: 3/12/2022 1:59:52 AMIt's never had it. If you want to play in the hardcore PvP mode, you should be prepared. Do you practice in Elimination? If you want a casual play mode, try control.
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4 RepliesThat defeats the purpose of trials. Each win matches you against tougher and tougher appointment until you either lose or go flawless. Also given the small population that plays trials, this would mean that you would regularly play against the same opponent over and over, in a given weekend.
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Same reason why QP doesn't have it or why comp doesn't have a really SBMM and instead have a recent match sbmm which do good once and you will fight 3k glory while being at 300 PvP matchmaking is seriously something that need to be looked at
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It's a tournament, that's why. You practice in elimination and you compete in trials. Trials has already been neutered enough that essentially anyone that grinds it can reach flawless.
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Probably because it wouldn't make sense for bad players to have the same chance of going flawless as really good players.
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1 ReplyWell if you thought it was laggy before....