Part 1 - [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/260638197]The Ability to Move Worlds [Spoilers][/url]
Once again, we are deferring to the [url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/osmiomancy-gloves]Osmiomancy Gloves[/url] for this, and this time we will look at the relevant parts of the entry in full:
[i]"But where killing brings about a singular conclusion, Oryx's "Taking" was quite the opposite: he imposed a singular origin and all decisions that followed. [b]He shaped the causality, the very history of another being, by force of will—recasting it into fanatical loyalty. In short, possibility never existed.
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Like Ikora, my role is anticipating threats. While these Taken and their king may have been the most dangerous opponents we have ever faced, they likely will be the least of what is yet to come. And Taking has terrible potential if wielded by a mind more nuanced than Oryx's. Taking involves reforming matter [b]in a self-contained reality, where the creator defines past, present, and future; imagine how a more insightful being could expand these definitions, to different ends[/b]."[/i]
Originally, it made me think of what the Traveler did to Venus, how it was speculated the Traveler did something paracausal that cut across time and space.
But as I thought about it more, going back to the lore of Destiny, and thinking about the Witness' power to "move worlds from one reality to another", I realized that we have in fact seen a very similar power before, one that may have even been motivated by the study of the Taken power: the Vault of Glass.
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[url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/the-templar]The Templar[/url]
[i]Even among the Axis Minds, the Templar is extraordinary. Fragmentary glimpses and scattered reports suggest a Hydra of impossible capabilities - a creature out of time.
The Templar and the Oracles guard the way into the deeper Vault. [b]Legends say that the Oracles foresee what is to come, a world as the Vex desire it - and that the Templar has the power to shape reality to match the Oracles' design, expunging any threats.[/b]
The power of the Vault flows through the Templar. It will take something extraordinary to shatter its shield.[/i]
[url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/the-gorgons]The Gorgons[/url]
[i]Deep in the Vault of Glass, the fabric of reality bends to the will of the Vex. Warlocks speak in tones of awe of the Gorgons - creatures that seem to possess a dreaded, almost unimaginable strength: an ontological weapon.
[b]Like the Oracles and the Templar, the Gorgons reputedly possess the ability to define what is and is not real. Whatever they perceive becomes subject to erasure at their will. [/b]Until a countermeasure can be found, Guardians must avoid their gaze at all costs - or reply to any detection with immediate, overwhelming force.
[b]The Gorgons' ability must be tied to the nature of the Vault of Glass. We can take some solace in the clear fact that the Vex cannot manifest this power in the world outside.[/b][/i]
[url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/atheon-times-conflux]Atheon, Time's Conflux[/url]
[i]To speak of Atheon is to accept certain limitations. We are ill-equipped to understand an entity that defies simple causality. Let us accept these limitations and proceed.
[b]Atheon waits in the Vault of Glass. Just as Atheon sidesteps 'past' and 'future', it is impossible to say whether Atheon created the Vault or the Vault created Atheon. Causal pathways converge on Atheon from every axis in the space-time bulk.[/b]
Atheon has a function. We hazard that it regulates and oversees the Vex conflux system. What are these confluxes? How do they relate to the physical Vex network that has devoured so much of Mercury and Venus?
We might guess that the Vex confluxes represent the extension of this network across space and time. Perhaps the Vex use closed timelike curves to solve unfathomable computations. Or the Vex may seek to transcend a physical substrate, and move their thoughts directly into the fundament of the universe.
[b]If physics is a set of rules that the cosmos uses to calculate itself, perhaps the Vex seek to worm their way into these calculations: to become a law of reality, inseparable from existence. A virus in the system. Perhaps Atheon was the centerpiece of this project, a command nexus that unified efforts across time.[/b]
But we must accept that all of this is speculation.[/i]
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A Vex domain like the Vault of Glass is very much its own self-contained reality. But unlike other Vex domains, the Vault of Glass is designed to facilitate the use of the various ontological weapons the Vex developed - one that defines the future as one the Vex want; one that defines what is real and is not real; and Atheon itself can move targeted Guardians from the present [i]to the past or the future[/i].
This is speculation, but the similarities were too eerie for me not to make a post about them. The ontological weapons being contained within the Vault of Glass was their key limitation, but the Witness' power and the Taken power have no such limitations. Access to this power through the Heart of the Black Garden could have been how the Sol Progeny would have brought those weapons to the material world.
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43 RepliesYou missed the key and stark difference. The Vex can only do this in their domain. This functions just like a Throneworld. They can not do this in the material plane. A domain they had before they ever met the Hive and Taking power. Which means it isn’t based on Taking. It’s the nature of throneworlds to be manipulated by their creator. The Witness can do these things in the material plane. Always pay attention to the details.
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I think in the end it's going to try to make a point that reality (even ours, gotta keep breaking that wall till it shatters) is...part of one being's consciousness. I was so upset when I realized we had invaded a vex consciousness, I think season of the splicer, because of personal reasons (crazy person, be crazy sometimes).
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Don't have exactly an answer, but thanks for the very interesting lore read though.
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thank you very much for that! Destiny the game is such a great learning tool and you just helped me confirm that the more i think i know the less i actually know. like, i still do not know why vex goblins wave at me and then start shooting me; even if i don't shoot back, they will shoot me until im dead. like, i just don't get it?