It is my belief that Eris made contact with savathun on the moon, and together they made a pact against oryx. We know that Eris and the queen are working together in the taken king period. It is believable that the queen and her techeuns were taken upon savathun claiming the taken throne. I don’t believe uldren is taken or being controlled. But I absolutely believe he is loyal to a fault to his sister. Whether Mara is being controlled or is doing whatever she’s doing of her own free will is up for grabs, but I believe he is doing his sister’s bidding (perhaps a ruse from savathun).
I’ve had the theory that we as guardians are in fact not necessarily on the “good guys” side. Uldren touches on this in the last trailer. It’s always possible that he and his sister have witnessed something that changed their mind about good and evil. Perhaps they have aligned with savathun of their own free will, and the traveler is the true enemy. Perhaps they have embraced the taken power in attempt to snuff us out once and for all. The taken curse may not be a curse after all, and might act similarly to the light.
As far as the beast lurking in the dreaming city goes, it’s not completely far fetched to believe that it could in fact be Mara sov. She has immense power combined with her techeuns, and we may come face to face with an exaggerated version of her in the form of a dragon in the depths. Of course oryx became an exaggerated version of himself, so I could see a very intimidating version of savathun taking shape in the ascendant realm in the dreaming city. Perhaps she has made the dreaming city into her throne world. This would explain the ascendant realm in the dreaming city. The very presence of an ascendant realm means there is a very powerful ascendant being residing in the dreaming city.
But there is also the possibility that one (or all) of the worm gods have made their way to the dreaming city. There is also the possibility that an ahamkara has survived and is lurking in the depths of the city. As far as nokris and xol go, I think their part in our story is over. Xol will live on in the form of our whisper, but I think that is the end of it.
There is an alternative side to this though. We’ve heard many plots that put Mara in the position to become sort of a “pirate rogue queen”. Perhaps she isn’t aligning with the taken power in the dreaming city. I’m sure we will run across her at some point, but perhaps she will be on our side and will help fight against this unknown taken force. One thing is for sure, savathun will have a part to play in all of this, whether we see her this September or next September. Someone is lurking on the dreadnaught after all if we are to go there. Oryx still has one sister left after we steamroll savathun, just something to think about.
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Edited by Helljumper RUSS: 8/9/2018 10:04:21 AMYou mention Light and Taken energy acting in similar ways, which brings some very interesting possibilities. In the EDZ, specifically in the Dark Forest near the Shard of the Traveler, the so-called "Light" that has been leaking out of the Shard seems to have corrupted and distorted the landscape and plant-life around it, drawing in the Taken in large numbers. This could either be because of some residue of Oryx's will telling them to seek the Light, or because of some far darker truth (pun possibly intended). A possible explanation for the corruption phenomena could be that the power is simply without guidance. Having been separated from its guiding force (the Traveler) during the Collapse, this power could very well be acting in its natural way: as a reshaping force. On a side note, SIVA seems to behave in a similar way: reshaping and reforming the landscape and organisms around according to its controller's wishes, though going somewhat overboard when not fully under control. This brings up a major question: Why is this "uncontrolled Light" (and by extension SIVA) acting so similar to Taken energy? There are many conclusions that can be drawn from this, and any of them could be right: Are Light and Taken energy one-and-the same? Is one a copy of the other? Are they two diverging powers with that originate from the same source? The possibilities are huge.
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Yeah, there are many forms of power we see in the game world that almost act in tandem with the light. I’m wondering if all this power came from one place. And my guess would be from the void. The traveler has been said to have come from the void. I’m guessing it all came out of the void
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In the original story of Destiny, it would be revealed that the Speaker and Traveler were not to be trusted, and you were supposed to stop the Traveler from awakening. It could be possible that elements of that original, scrapped storyline are influencing some of the stories to come.
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I’m hoping so