It's amazing how much your attitude has shifted in the last year Sols. Not sure if you realize it but seems like it was around the time you started having increased interactions with Cozmo.
I don't know man, I just have a hard time taking your posts as seriously. I agree Bungie does a lot of good stuff (also lots of room for improvement), but you've lost your edge.
Bottom line is you've changed.... Not for the better in my opinion. But who the hell am I, and why should you or anybody else care?? Just my observations.
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This^^^
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Humm...I'm not the only one that thinks this. What a coincidence!
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I'm experiencing serious Deja Vu lol
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Rekt!!
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Agree man he totally drank the Kool-aid
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You know this is really interesting when I keep seeing people respond like this to Sols specifically. How is it, that if someone changes their opinion or thoughts on something that it must be a bad thing? I don't really understand how anyone can go through life stuck with 1 set of thoughts without the idea of potentially changing an opinion based on personal experience and knowledge. Not everything is positive, there are plenty of Sols rage moments on all things Destiny. But it shouldn't be exclusive. We have to talk about the good with the bad for balance IMO.
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[quote]You know this is really interesting when I keep seeing people respond like this to Sols specifically. How is it, that if someone changes their opinion or thoughts on something that it must be a bad thing? I don't really understand how anyone can go through life stuck with 1 set of thoughts without the idea of potentially changing an opinion based on personal experience and knowledge. Not everything is positive, there are plenty of Sols rage moments on all things Destiny. But it shouldn't be exclusive. We have to talk about the good with the bad for balance IMO.[/quote] This
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Edited by ironBill: 8/10/2016 5:30:35 PMAgree here. People grow, or hopefully they do. Some would say being a different person or having a different viewpoint in a year's time has a problem, but I would argue a person that never changes hasn't challenged him or herself and has stopped growing. I can be two different people. When I'm angry I hold a particular view, when calm perhaps the opposite. I hope I can be reasonable enough to admit when I've gone too far. Bungie pisses me off from time to time, and I won't shy away from that. Still, when they do things right I will be the first to say so. That's as fair as I can be about it. One of the early issues I personally had with Bungie was a lack of communication. With Cozmo things have improved. I feel a lot better about that issue now, so on that point I view Bungie more favorably. People vent their spleens once in a while. When that's done it's time to calm down and be rational.
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Edited by Killlerschaf: 8/10/2016 10:15:50 AMIn the grand scheme of things, nothing changed in Destiny for the positive. Just because they have a Twitch presence, doesn't mean that they actually listen. Destiny is one of the biggest franchises in the last few years. If Bungie wouldn't do their PR stunts, it would be much harder to sustain this. And nonetheless, if anything, I'd say that most things have changed in a negative way. We went from awesome raid rewards in Y1, to complete garbage in Y2. We went from awesome weapon perks in Y1 (gunplay is the essence of every FPS), to complete garbage in Y2. From awesome guns in general, to this gargabe we have right now. From slightly rotating metagames, to complete meta shifts every 3 months. From a seemingly bearable grind (reforging and awesome drop rates in HoW), to whatever they call this triple layered RnG. From a fast Crucible, to this camping fest. We shouldn't forget Bungie's tendency to Nerf everything as well. I have no idea when we had a net buff the last time, but I sure as hell only ever see nerfs. So at least for me, it's hard to take someone seriously who wants to tell me that Bungie listens and does a great job. This game was much better in Y1, if we ignore some cinematics and Nathan Fillion.
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Edited by TryN2kEEpUp: 8/9/2016 2:15:30 PMDear miss redwing girl, First of all you are biased when it comes to Sols, so you shouldn't really be defending him. Your choice, but you aren't very credible in this regard. You do have the right to express yourself as does everyone else. Second, if it is knowledge and experience that has led to his new found optimism then he has ignored the critical part of it to present the good. It was knowledge and experience which led to all his great posts positive and negative - except this one which blatantly disregards all the intelligent impotent feedback reducing it to 'I know Bungie isn't perfect'.
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You know what isn't credible? When those who follow and supported Sols for his views and opinions, turn their backs on him when he posts about some of the positive changes that have resulted in many of his and all of your feedback from the past. As a group the feedback has had an impact on some of these improvements today. By acknowledging those things, you all see that as weakness instead of the incredible effect it's had for those that play the game. No one is walking away and telling Bungie, job well done, but they need to hear what they get right too! It's disappointing but not surprising that some continue to beat the negative drum day in and day out.
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Edited by baystrike: 8/12/2016 2:05:58 PM[quote]You know what isn't credible? When those who follow and supported Sols for his views and opinions, turn their backs on him when he posts about some of the positive changes that have resulted in many of his and all of your feedback from the past.[/quote] What about that isn't credible? People latch on to ideas and people when what they are saying fits the same thoughts as their own (hence the "sheep" mentality, as people mainly follow an idea, and don't think for themselves). When that changes, so will some peoples loyalties as well. Heck I remember a few months ago Sols pretty much said that he gave up on trying to change D1, and rather all what we discuss that needs change should be about changing D2 at that point forward. So knowing his change in perspective, I judge what he says based on this newer outlook. [quote]As a group the feedback has had an impact on some of these improvements today. By acknowledging those things, you all see that as weakness instead of the incredible effect it's had for those that play the game.[/quote] I'm going to be honest here, but not much if anything that was ever posted on #feedback has improved anything within the game as a whole. Sure I'm not disputing that there has been some stuff done, but at the same time things have been taken away to compensate for the changes, which means we haven't directly changed really anything. [quote]No one is walking away and telling Bungie, job well done, but they need to hear what they get right too![/quote] Agree to a point. [quote]It's disappointing but not surprising that some continue to beat the negative drum day in and day out.[/quote] I'll continue to reiterate the message of using the mute function if you don't like what people are saying, or flat out ignore them directly. People sit here and complain about negativity, but then go ahead and continue to allow said negativity to influence everything they post about because they like differing opinions. Honestly though, it does no good to get worked up that way, and it tends to detract from your points when this "negativity" is being brought up every time when being posted about, especially when people don't want to see things from the perspective the other poster is saying. I'm not saying you have to agree, but at least get where people are coming from.
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Yeah I agree for the most part. At this point I think all hope is lost on most of this. Thanks for your feedback
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Hope is only lost when people give up.
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I just don't see any positive changes. But I wouldn't describe myself as someone who follows any user enough to turn my back on him. Since this podcast had Ashe joined as a regular, I kind of lost all interest though. Sol's was someone who actually criticised Bungie once. Cozmo's attention to his threads apparently fuelled his narcissistic tendencies too much though, and all that was needed to change Sol's opinion, was a pat on the back from Bungie's PR employee. Or at least that's how it looks to me.
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No need for me to comment because ^this^. My sentiments exactly.
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It's because he is a hypocrite. Before TTK he called Bungie everything but a game developer, saying not to pre order over the Luke Smith fiasco. Then about a month before, he cops to pre ordering and starts defending Bungie like an over zealous fanboy. This is why most year one players turned their backs on him, and deservedly so. This is why most of his current supporters are year 2 players, they don't know about the great flip flop. Love and defend him all you want, your choice, I'm just presenting the facts.
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I'm year one and I am familiar with his positions prior to TTK. We've talked about it a great deal. Do you play now or no?
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So you willing follow an admitted hypocrite? No I don't, I stopped at The Taken Paywall. Unlike other members of your group, I have integrity and don't bash the game while continuing to throw money at the screen. Or blindly sing the praises of it knowing full well most of what I say is false. That's not to say I'll never come back, but until they earn my money they won't get any more of it.
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I don't see it that way. But its interesting that you say you might come back while saying those that have purchased TTK have no integrity. At any point in the future, if you do decide to purchase Destiny, you will have purchased the TTK paywall. You wont be able to justify the purchase any other way by your reason not to buy now.
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Whether or not you see it that way doesn't stop it from being a fact. Also, if I were required to purchase the TTK and Rise of Iron to play the sequel, I would never come back. The fact that you're required to own TTK to even buy rise is yet another cash grab that completely turns me off to Bungie. My standing on the side and not throwing money at the screen is a choice I share with many. Bungie has to earn my patronage and covering the cosmodrome in snow ain't exactly blowing my skirt up. The only way to make them change is to withhold the only things they care about; money and hours played. So here I am, waiting and watching.
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I understand that. But do you not accept that other people may not share your view and still have issues with the game today, but also acknowledge some things have improved?
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The problems with the game itself that are still ongoing far outweigh the number of "improvements" significantly. As well as the situation and circumstances surrounding everything. Even more so when said improvements are often times accompanied by their own list of cons or newly introduced issues as well. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not every opinion is correct. If the opposite were true, our world would be a very screwed up place indeed, more so than it already is. Acknowledging some things have improved doesn't serve as a free pass for everything else. I remember getting into an argument with this one guy who decided to jump on my post about a year ago. Dude kept on insisting "Can you please say something good about the game?" Why? What is this sick obsession with getting people to say good things? The problem I was pointing out with my post was still a legitimate, ongoing problem that has yet to receive any resolution even a year later. Why the hell do I need to appease a total stranger by listing "good things" for them? And it was for the same reasoning too: "Bungie has done bad but they have also done good!" I don't care. You don't get a cookie for that kind of shit. All I'm seeing is one attempt after the other to try and distract people from the mountain of other problems with the game.
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The issues you have mean nothing if you continue to pay for a broken game. All you do is give them permission to continue to provide a substandard product. Bungie has improved almost nothing, but they'll certainly make it seem like they gave you the world. Minor quality of life upgrades that should have been in place at launch should not forgive the innumerable missteps and lies.
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I see. So you expect absolute perfection. I can't imagine living day to day with these requirements. I think I would be miserable and exhausted holding people to this high almost unattainable level. I play a lot of games....a lot. There is no perfect game. If I applied your rules, I wouldn't get to play anything. =( Anyway, thanks for sharing your views. Take care.