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6/5/2016 7:03:03 AM
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When Toland speaks of the three Queens I believe he is speaking of oryx and his sister's and their individual approaches to sword logic. And when he speaks of the single queen living in harmony it is my belief he is referring to us, the traveler and the guardians. And although Toland doesn't believe us capable of defeating the hive and ultimately overcoming death I disagree. We will through cooperation achieve what no single entity could hope to. The deep seeks the final form while the sky rejects the ending altogether.
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  • Edited by Fal Chavam: 6/5/2016 4:33:11 PM
    That was just a universal principle. It applies to quiet literally everything. He wasn't talking specifically anything, he is just explaining his the universe works.

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  • That could be true. quite a few have tried to pin down something he may be referencing and if he is referencing anything this is what I believe. But to be honest if he wasn't speaking of anything specifically it seems like a pretty large coincidence to have so accurately described a few things.

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  • [quote]It's so simple. Elegant like a knife point. It explains - this is not hyperbole, this is the farthest thing from exaggeration - EVERYTHING. [/quote] It's literally in the same card.

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  • Yes I understand that. However, there will be "real" life equivalents to those ideas. Most believe there already are and attempt to figure them out. You cant just say there will be a queen of a country of armies and she will conquer everything and then not actually have a thing that exists that fills that role. So people theorize what if anything fills those roles. Maybe it is something that we know is in the lore now maybe it will be revealed later. Do you understand?

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  • Consider, the most brutal attack on the city, twilight gap. Had there been no army we would not have won. They would have had a bigger army if the house of wolves made it to the battle and they would have won indefinitely. The size and strength of an army is all that mattered. No laws were going to defend us, running away would have gotten us killed, only our army mattered. Everything out there wants to kill us. If they have a bigger, stronger army, we will die. Simple as that. Brute force and sheer numbers rule the day. Kinda like a good zombies movie.

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  • Who's Toland? Are they a bad person?

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  • Toland was a warlock who was obsessed with how the hive had overcome death. So he studied their magic and tried to teach his beliefs a little but in the end was exiled for being mad. He wasn't mad he was just the smartest guy in the room and we all know how that turns out ;) He accompanied Eris and her fire team to the moon but for his own reasons. He left the group to accomplish his goals but has been helping us from the shadows of death ever since. Toland might seem mad or evil but really he just understands things most people don't want to think about.

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  • Toland was exiled from the Tower for being obsessed with Hive.

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  • Oh thanks for telling me. Is there a card about him?

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  • Some. Ghost Fragment: Darkness 3 is one of them, I think. It's the one about the queens. VERY interesting, that card.

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  • My name is Byf made a video on that card, it refers to the three factions and their goals. Judging by what the card says Future War Cult is the ruling faction. (Or will be at some point)

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