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Edited by Lost Sols: 12/7/2015 3:08:54 AM
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Searching for Light in the Darkness. Are we being heard? (Another post they don't want you to read.)

Yes, it's their right.

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No, it's our forum.

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[b]The Poll[/b] Bungie are actively removing hot-button topics (such as matchmaking) from the Trending and Highest Rated tabs. Do you believe it is their right to censor these forums to make topics they don't agree with less visible? Or do you feel that these forums are supposed to be our place to have a voice and a place where we can champion causes for change? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [b]The questions it forces us to ask.[/b] According to DeeJ [quote]Player feedback is one of the most important components of the conversation on Bungie.net. Dedicated teams at Bungie survey the forums in search of support issues and development ideas. Specific user-created topics that [b]trend[/b] as a result of community interaction are more effective in providing us with that information than blog threads with thousands of competing replies.[/quote] If that is in fact true and their teams search TRENDING topics, it effectively squashes a thread to remove it from that tab. We've had hundreds of individual Guardian's weigh in on this topic and have about 10 of the most liked posts in #feedback, including 2 of the top 3. This is another DeeJ quote. [quote]Let me get this straight. The player is never “wrong.” I believe that down to my bones. At Bungie, I represent to the developers what you say without prejudice.[/quote] If that is the case, we've been asking for answers for a week now. Again, there are literally hundreds of stories explaining why people would like in-game matchmaking options and why LFG sites (as awesome as they can be for some) just don't work for them. If a player is never wrong, when one writes a heartfelt post that they don't want to have to use LFG or go outside the game to play the game, how can you reconcile the above quote when you answer them with "Go form your own clan"? Another Bungie quote (not sure DeeJ or another) in response to Asa's question: I love the game... But some don't. Can you shed some 'light' on your feelings toward these negative reviews and feedback? [quote]Bungie thrives on feedback. Never feel like you need to stick up for us when you see someone expressing an honest opinion about our games. We’re harder on ourselves than anyone else.[/quote] Players have been asking for in-game options to play with other Guardians since launch. With each new expansion, raid and batch of new content, that frustration grows for those who want to get on and play, but don't have friends on and don't want to go search outside sources for a team. As much as it sucks that the raid for HoW was delayed, I have to admit that part of me was completely stoked for whatever PoE was going to be because I couldn't imagine that it wasn't going to be endgame content that was finally easily available to EVERYONE and not just raiders. Joke was on any of us who thought that, huh? We are almost 9 full months into Destiny and it is more of a chore than ever to access meaningful content in this game. We've been asking for change the entire time, but have our voices been muted this entire time too? Again, let me go back to this quote from DeeJ, because this is very important: [quote]Let me get this straight. The player is never “wrong.” I believe that down to my bones. At Bungie, I represent to the developers what you say without prejudice.[/quote] DeeJ is our voice with the developers. Well, if DeeJ doesn't believe in our cause, how much faith can we really have that we are being heard? This is DeeJ from way back on November 11, 2014 in response to the call for more matchmaking: [quote]It's no secret that the highest quality teammates are the ones you choose for yourself. Anyone with a robust friends list will testify to that. We hear the feedback about matchmaking, and there are conversations about it's future. In the meantime, anyone posting to this forum has a galley of potential teammates to recruit.[/quote] This is tremendously important because it clearly shows that all the way back then, DeeJ was showing bias against matchmaking. [spoiler]If you're curious, my reply that day: [quote]Uh, no. Sorry DeeJ, but that's nowhere close to true. Some of the highest quality people you'll ever meet are in matchmade games and you all know it was ridiculous to not give us that option. Ask anyone who's played any online game how many amazing friends they've made that they met randomly online in a game. I met my wife in a random group in an online deathmatch. What you all did is indicative of the sad social practice of trying to protect us from ourselves. Is skydiving dangerous? Potentially. If I understand that risk and I'm okay with it, should I be able to jump? Yes, I should. Is there a possibility I may get grouped with an asshole in a random game online? Yup. If I am okay with that and willing to wear a headset, should I be able to talk to the 90% of people that aren't asshats? Yes, I should. As an online community manager, you should know that even though the bad seeds may be loud, the majority of people are cool and drawn together by a shared passion.[/quote][/spoiler] After HoW released, we posted yet more dismay at the unnecessary degree of difficulty just getting to run the new endgame content if friends weren't readily available. From DeeJ. seven months after having to respond to our initial calls for mm: [quote]At current, our philosophy about endgame content is that part of the challenge includes forming up a team. This is a strong community filled with players who are looking for teammates. Why not seek each other out here and band together[/quote] Well, we responded and we banded together and we have over a thousand likes over dozens of posts and instead of being heard, instead of being represented, instead of being engaged, we are left with flippant remarks, corporate-speak mantras and silence. Again, we have asked reasonable questions. We have given in depth answers as to why we feel so strongly in our beliefs. We have engaged in conversations with those who feel differently. We have searched for answers and common ground and have offered ideas for solutions. And in response, our posts have been removed from all but the "Latest" feed, which in and of itself tells us volumes about how much our opinions and experiences truly matter. I'll end this by again saying that the reason we all are here is because we love Destiny. We are all Warlocks, Hunters, Titans. We all have battled the Archon Priest, Sepkis and Rockets McD**kface together. We're not adversaries (well, outside of PvP) and we're all trying to make this game the very best it can be. So how did we get here? [spoiler]Thank you to all who believe, support, never give up and always #bumpfortruth.[/spoiler] ----------------------------------------------------------------- Edit: To all the Guardians supporting this and those who disagree too, I want to add a couple of things. First, I am saddened (and somewhat surprised) to see that Bungie have decided to remove this post from Trending and Highest Rated too, particularly when any of this community hurt could easily be healed with minimal effort on their end. Also, I want to clearly state that this is not meant as a personal attack on DeeJ. He just happens to be the Community Manager and so he is who we go to for answers. I've had it stated a couple times that we're being abusive and hating on DeeJ. That sincerely is not intended to be the case and I will re-post this here. [quote]DeeJ is our CM and I still overall think he's a good guy and wants what's best for us. I just think he dropped the ball on this one. Everyone has missteps. The intent of this isn't to attack DeeJ, but to try to repair a disconnect between the community and Bungie. I would hope DeeJ isn't the one hiding posts and I understand he is limited in what he can share. If he'd just maybe asked why LFG and clans don't work for people and guaranteed nothing more than he'd share it with the devs, he'd have been a hero. For whatever reason we got [i]sorry, it's our philosophy[/i] instead. This post is here because we want Bungie to listen, not because we want DeeJ gone.[/quote] I'm really conflicted at the moment. I am so grateful for the way the community have banded together to support each other and this community desire, but I'm also genuinely saddened at the stance that has been taken against us. This was a call to reason, not war.

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  • Bump again. Marvelous how Bungie continues to ignore the largest request from PvE community, but has already done multiple nerfs because of crucibabies.

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  • Bump for optional matchmaking.

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  • Bump for Truth.

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    • Bump bump bump

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    • Bungie is just another greedy company now. So much for video games being art.

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    • Proof of the removal?

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      • Cross posting for great justice: [quote]We don't remove posts for criticism of Bungie or Destiny. The Trending and Higest Rated are designed to elevate content that people are talking about it but also are biased toward new topics. I'd bet that the posts in questions weren't actually removed but rather simple "aged-out" (the threshold is VERY high to remain on those listings). That said, if you think something else is happening, I can check specific posts, but if you can still see them if you have a direct link to them, that age-out is what is going on. The posts aren't deleted, and we still have our player support and user research teams consuming all the posts made and digesting them for the live team's consideration for future planning. This is as much your game as it is ours - we take such feedback seriously (the content of the latest DLC and patches reflect that pretty well, I think). One final thing - please use the report or mute function on those users who give you grief about your feedback. Reasonable and level-headed opinions deserve their day, you don't have to deal with users who cannot handle a different opinion or feel the need to attack users because they're having some trouble with enjoying Destiny. [/quote]

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        • Bump

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        • GOT A DIRECT IN THREAD RESPONSE FROM DEEJ!!! Victory!!!! Big shout out to lost sols!! You were huge in this man! I just muled it. :D

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        • ITS ON THE list BRO

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        • Meanwhile at the office of the Prez of Bungie.... CEO: "Get Johnson in here pronto!" Dev1: " You needed to see me Sir?" CEO: "Yes!, I was just looking around at new forums, and I'm feeling terribly disappointed" Dev1: "I thought it looks pretty good, what seems to be the problem?" CEO: "Well for starters, there's no funny pictures of cats, or even a single post of hilarious drunk Russians! Why can't this be more like our old forums?" Dev1: "Are you talking about Reddit Sir? But we don't own it" CEO: "What do you mean we don't own Reddit, don't we have another opposite site called Bluedit?" Dev1: "No we don't, it's a free service ran by the internet" CEO: "Whaat! You mean I'm paying for all these so called Gigabytes and Lan Cables, when we could have had everyone do it for free?" Dev1: "Errr well yes, but it's greatly boosted our market data, and also boosted our companies image" CEO: "Shut it down Johnson" Dev1: "At this point we can't, we have too many subscribers" CEO: "Hmm well we will have to ween them off this, have DeeJ let the public know if they want to be heard, they have to use this free Reddit service, but not the Bluedit one. Dev1: " I don't know if DeeJ can handle that, I mean he's already been drinking so much Pepto-Bismol, the workers built a shrine to him at the factory" CEO: " Well someone's gotta be the whipping boy, besides it not like he could pay his rent by being an actual DJ haha, now hop too it Johnson"

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          • Edited by Hoops: 6/1/2015 7:17:46 PM
            Seriously your passion for this game is clear, you spend so much time making these posts. What doesn't make sense is why the groups section of your profile is empty. They have listened and will be putting in optional matchmaking soon but why not do something about it now and form a group with all your new buddies?

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          • [i][b]Water(Guardians) Does Not Resist, Water Flows, When you Plunge your Hand into it, All you Feel is a Caress. Water is not a Solid Wall,I It will not Stop You, But Water Always Goes Where it Wants To Go(OPMM), Dripping Water Wears Away Stone(Bungivision). Remember that, My Guardians. Remember You Are Half Water. If You Can't Go Through an Obstacle(LFGsites), Go Around it(OPMM). Water Does.[/b][/i]

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            • [i][b]We Can Easily Forgive Guardians Afraid of The Dark(Bungivision).The Real Tragedy in Life is When Guardians Are Afraid of the Light(OPMM).~Socrates[/b][/i]

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            • #bumpfortruth

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            • Deej is a double talker to the highest degree. The only real thing about him is that he wants you to keep mindlessly playing the game.

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            • Bump

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            • Why is this post in the bungie.net section? This section is supposed to be for topics related to "what needs work on the bungie.net web site"

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              • [b]it is in complete Darkness when Guardians Need to Shine The Most...Shine Bright Guardian![/b]

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              • [b]Keep up the Great Work Guardian of the Light!!![/b]

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              • Bump

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              • Bump

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              • I feel it's their right, but it's a dumb move

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              • Edited by Ice Oblivion IV: 6/1/2015 4:24:44 AM
                This is just a question for the sake of my future comments: Do you know that Deej is not technically a Bungie employee? (This is what I've heard, if someone has proof that he is, I'm willing to be proven wrong.)

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                • Optional matchmaking makes everything better.

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                  • https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/126265540/0/0 Bumpfortruth

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