Clearly, you know nothing about game development.
Truth is that the DLC was started 6-12 months ago -- Which by the time the discs were pressed, most of that content was already finished.
That's how every game that's followed this development structure, has functioned. Period.
Just because those assets exist, on the disc or in the game, does not mean we are entitled to them, period...That's how software design on every MMO in history has worked. The area is pushed and LATER it's populated.
Further -- If you had bothered reading Bungie's EULA at any point -- You do not OWN any content on the disc or other -- You're actually leasing the right to play Destiny on Bungie's servers, thus no content is yours, regardless of if it's on the disc or not -- Standard MMO EULA. - Which is why no Class Action Lawsuit will EVER WORK...It's not YOUR property.
Quite frankly, I think you're all blowing this incredibly out of proportion...
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No but the class action could set a president to reform the industry, even if it's a long shot. Either way people are unhappy with bungies product this hurts there brand and potential for profit in the future. And the best way to get someones attention is through there walet. So go ahead bungie roll the dice on the sequel, see if people even buy it. I know I won't. Deej remind the dev team of the atari crash. While we will probly never see the industry collapse, but even today we see studios come and go. Fare well bungie.
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Firstly, no. The class action lawsuit won't do anything. Legally speaking on a console, the moment you take the disc from the box and place it into the bay, you've agreed to the EULA. The EULA states that all property is Bungie's. All IP is Bungie's. All game decisions are Bungie's. Whatever lawyer actually took the case, is just doing it for publicity because that's all it is, free publicity. You'll never win. That being said, the studio will never "come and go" per the math, alone. Let me do the math for you since, you''ve chosen to completely ignore it. Let's assume everyone bought the normal version: $60.00 x 15,000,000 = $900,000,000.00 DLC sales: $20.00 x (0.8 x 15,000,000) = $240,000,000.00 Cost of development: $400,000,000.00 That's a gross profit of over $600,000,000.00 Because Microsoft and Sony picked up the hosting contract, Bungie pays for 1 farm and a Studio so, arguably $1,000,000.00/year. Their contract stipulates 35% revenue and 2m +/- a year from Activision for DLC content. That means, Bungie just raked in over $210,000,000.00 + $2,000,000.00 annually. Meaning we could all quit tomorrow and it doesn't mean jack shit, Bungie could keep going for a decade. So, Bungie will not die for the foreseeable future. Thanks and come again!
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So which field of law do you specialise in?
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What specialty of law do you specialize in?
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You don't need to be a lawyer to understand the EULA. The rest of it was simple math.
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I don't specialize in law. Simply stating fact for what they are.
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Facts are funny things, especially when stated a by layperson especially in arena of law...but don't let that stop you....
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That's exactly what happened with atari every one saw it as cash cow and a license to print money. I'm using history as an example moron. And if you read my post I said the suit was a long shot. How many years of law have you studyed? Stop trying to be a back yard lawyer. The eula will protect them in criminal court hands down. But civil court is a diffrent animal. With the right channels political figures ( aka judges) an industry reform could take place. And if such a reform were to happen to protect consumers why the -blam!- are you defending the studios or publishers. Do you get a cut of those profits, I doubt it. I guess you like being lied to.
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The Atari was/is never a good platform. Destiny is a multi-platform game. In English, your example is irrelevant and you're wrong. You'll also lose the case in civil court since Bungie never actually made any guarantees or promises.
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You still can't read lol I never said it would win.
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[quote]Let's assume everyone bought the normal version: $60.00 x 15,000,000[/quote] I do not believe 15 million people bought Destiny. I no longer find your argument valid.
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http://www.gamespot.com/articles/destiny-could-sell-10-15-million-copies-more-than-call-of-duty-advanced-warfare-analyst-says/1100-6420810/ I'd suggest you learn how to read.
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Since when is "could" and "did" the same?
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Since you are apparently an educated individual and I took an "educated guess" as to the numbers, one would think you could as well do the math for yourself. That being said, I no longer find your argument valid because you're clearly incapable of such. My point stands. 20% will take Bungie into the next decade. Good day.
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Ok, so I think we see clearly that out of all your efforts to be intellectual, you are clearly not. You do not bring an educated guess into an argument. That just does not work. You bring facts that support your argument. Also, stating that my argument is invalid because I can differentiate from a current fact over an educated guess is silly. Your point does not stand, and 20% of what will take Bungie into the next decade? Who even said we were talking about the future of Destiny? Are you alright? Should we call the doctor and set you up an appointment? You are clearly all over the place and very incoherent right now.
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Edited by RubberBunny: 11/5/2014 7:27:27 PMIf Bungie only sold 10m copies. Above/beyond their operating budget, they made over 20-35% (guaranteed per their contract). You're still wrong. The studio, itself; regardless of your assumption, made 20-35% thus, indicating that even if you took base users and not sales, Bungie lives on. Again, taking into consideration, their operating costs and future development costs; they're easily in the green for the next decade. Or can you not handle 4th grade math? I'm not all over the place, your business insight is simply garbage. Good day.
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What? How am I wrong? I just stated they didn't sell 15 million copies, which they haven't, which makes me right. What are you talking about spouting all these numbers when the only thing I said was they didn't sell 15 million copies. I never said they didn't profit or didn't make money. Are you delusional? What was my business insight? Are you thinking I am a different poster? I am really trying to understand what point you are trying to prove to me? All I stated was 15 million copies weren't sold. That is a fact, and you posted a link stating "could be sold" which still does not mean sold. Go back up and read where I said they did not profit. Then tell me how I'm wrong when stating they did not sell 15 million. You stated I am wrong and I want to know where and how I am wrong with that statement.
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Edited by RubberBunny: 11/5/2014 7:41:29 PMMy argument was never invalid. Had you scaled it to your personal believed sales, the argument per the context of the discussion, stands. Again, business insight. Even if you felt I was wrong on the numbers of sales (Which according to everyone else out there, I'm ballpark) then had you scaled it, the rest stands...Your issue was with 10% of the entire problem where-as, had you followed through, the concept and ultimate solution would've been the same. Your laziness and ignorance is why you're wrong -- Ultimately the conclusion per the context of the discussion, is the same, regardless of if the numbers are slightly skewed, or not. Good day, kiddo.
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3 Good day's and calling me Kiddo! Must be my lucky day. I stated you had your numbers wrong, when you are trying to argue a fact with numbers involved and you get your numbers wrong, no matter if your point was still made, you have lost credibility and rendered your argument invalid to many. Even if your estimated guess is a copy paste from a reporter's estimated guess, it is still JUST AN ESTIMATED GUESS. It is not a fact, and thus, cannot be used as such. If you were to use this in a debate, you would easily be laughed out of your podium. My issue was with 10% of what problem? I just stated your number was wrong. I don't understand how you are trying to drag me into a discussion I was never part of AND tell me what my stance on the argument between yourself and another poster is. You don't know if I agree with you or not, but you want to automatically assume that I am taking a stance regardless? If anything, you are the one acting childish by bringing me into a debate you had, and then saying that which stance I have and how I feel about it. Stop speaking for me. You don't know what I think. Nor did I state what I think. I could have been 100% in agreement, but I was stating your initial 15 million copies sold is wrong. You took that as an attack and started to put me into a bracket that I never said I was for or against. I am now considered lazy and ignorant, and no matter whether I was in agreement or disagreement, i am wrong. That is also silly, there are some people that are ignorant as hell and still right. I also don't understand how you even put me into those categories because you think I am arguing your point, which I never even said I was. Here's the thing, I stated your 15 million copy sold statement was wrong, you tried to back it up with an "estimated guess" based off of a prediction of a journalist. I stated that was still not a fact. Which is correct. You then retorted trying to bash and attack me and putting me into the group that was against your stance because I simply stated one of your argument points were wrong. You just can't handle someone calling you out on something and you go straight into a defensive mode. That is a terrible tactic to use when trying to argue a point. For all you know, I could have been for or against your idea. Instead, you just lumped me into the opposing group because I proved you wrong on one point of your argument. I was never discussing business sales, nor the life of Destiny and the percentage of who was going to stick with it or anything of that sort. You made that ridiculous assumption on your own. I want you to go and read where I said Destiny sales sucked or anything of that sort. Go, find it please. Maybe you will realize how much of an ass you just made yourself look like when you don't find me arguing sales beyond the 15 million copy part.....Kiddo.
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Regardless of your stance on the topic, you failed to respond to the context of the discussion. We know for a fact they've had 10m sales since there are well over 10m registered users according to Bungie. Once again, even per those numbers (Which are incredibly low considering estimates) per my context, which is actually all that matters, my argument was never invalid. So, I honestly don't care what your wall of text says, also don't care to read it. You were wrong, the argument under any premise known to man still stands because the conclusion was absolutely correct. Again, good day kiddo.
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Your argument is rendered invalid the moment you use incorrect numbers and estimated numbers and started calling them facts. You are a troll. Guys stop feeding. anyone that is in an argument and says TL:DR is a clear troll. Especially after hours of arguing.
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The fact remains that per the conclusion of the argument, I'm not wrong. So, negative sir, I'm not trolling.
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I stated your point was invalid, not wrong. Invalid means even if it is right, it is no longer usable. You stated I was wrong, which I was not.
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Nothing is being blown out of proportion. Did you not read the OP?
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I did. Each reference he makes is to media from 2013. In 2014, IGN did a full play-through on Twitch, reviewed the game and gave a full in depth analysis. Ironically, the vast majority of those complaining about "extra content" skip over that "version" and point to the 2013 references. Which is essentially what the OP did. I was expressing my opinion on the validity of his claim on development alone much less on the fact that he skipped a year of evidence with his video references.