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6/19/2014 4:13:51 AM
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Lol people in this thread act as if the events happening over there won't eventually affect us. Obama has lied to us about the terrorists. He said Al Qaeda was on the run, that they were only a shell of their former self, but as soon as we retreat from the battlefield, they almost instantly take over all sorts of major cities. People are treating these terrorists like naughty little children who aren't really going to bother us. The blinding ignorance will destroy us. Al Qaeda is stronger than it has ever been and will only seek more destruction, and it's only a matter of time before they acquire an atomic bomb if we don't do anything about it. This forum is only proof at how terribly uninformed and ignorant our country is.
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  • Consider for a moment not all if them hate us for what we are. But what we have done to them. 1950s Iran Coup. Remember that? Getting a little bit if blow back there? You are the ignorant one. If we wouldn't plant our dick in every country we wouldn't be hated so much. The US -blam!-ed up. Bad. But yeah. Let's keep joining these wars. When truly, the last war we should have been in was WW2.

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  • I am absolutely aware of the terrible things that America has done towards those in the Middle East (among other people). However, I am only focusing on the situation that we currently have, and unfortunately I cannot change the past. The situation on our hands is that we have a shit load of people that hate us so much that they want to destroy us, and I'm trying to stop that. You know, Washington said that we shouldn't get involved in foreign affairs, but modern times are much different than back then. We cannot afford to sit isolated because in this globalized world, it is impossible to remain isolated and absolutely free from the effects of something that happens halfway around the world. What terrorists do, it affects us. The oil we get over there, it affects us. The US absolutely screwed up big time, but all we can do is try to protect ourselves in the situation that we have right now.

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  • I agree with that at least. I just don't want another War started up. Which, let's be honest. I'm no conspiracy theorist by any means. But a lot of this is just for corporate interests. The US trained Osama Bin-Laden, in the situation we're in now. A few years back, maybe 2, we trained ISIS rebels! It may sound better to go somewhere to eliminate the "threat". But sometimes the threat can be eliminated from home. Any missile launch would be intercepted. What we need to worry about is stuff like suit-case bombs.

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  • The extremists in Iraq aren't Al Queda. Heck Al Queda calls them extremists

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  • Well said

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  • Someone's been playing a lot of call of duty. If countries that already have nukes and want to use them badly against us can't do it, what makes you think terrorists can? You're reading too many sensationalist sources

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  • You are an ignorant fool. If terrorist organizations can gain control of a country's government, you better bet your ass they're going to try to get nukes. They hate America. They hate Americans. They will do anything in their power to destroy us and if you are so foolish to believe they aren't capable of getting nukes, whether it be a year from now or 50 years from now, you are sadly mistaken.

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    [quote]You are an ignorant fool. If terrorist organizations can gain control of a country's government, you better bet your ass they're going to try to get nukes. They hate America. They hate Americans. They will do anything in their power to destroy us and if you are so foolish to believe they aren't capable of getting nukes, whether it be a year from now or 50 years from now, you are sadly mistaken.[/quote] Many of them hate US policies not the US/Americans in general.

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  • Define "many." If they just hate US policies, why are we called the Great Satan of the West?

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  • Edited by bergXX09: 6/20/2014 3:05:29 AM
    It's ignorant to think terrorists care that hugely about America that they would take over a foreign country just to nuke us. It is also ignorant to think they would have any type of economic or military power to successfully nuke us. If terrorists had nukes, the nukes would never reach us, would be shot down, or the terrorists would just be bombed by every other country in the world since it's against international law. You're making up silly crazy scenarios, I'm a political science major

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  • Edited by Uncle Putin: 6/20/2014 3:48:27 AM
    [quote]I'm a political science major[/quote] That's where I stopped taking you seriously. I mean oh god, watch out guys. We've got a political science major over here lol. Your arrogance is causing you to underestimate what a terrorist organization can do. You are so sure that you're safe from them, and that's your flaw. You assume you're safe. I'm not saying it's likely they could do that, but it is certainly possible, and YES. Terrorists absolutely DO care about America enough to do something like that. They would LOVE to see America in ruin because we are the great Satan of the West. I'm not sure I've seen anyone so blindingly ignorant as you to what the world really is and the kinds of people out there. I don't know what the hell it is they're teaching you in political science but the world is not fcking roses and rainbows. Terrorists. Hate. America. And listen here wise guy. Terrorists don't care about America that much? Well it appears they cared enough to orchestrate one of the biggest, if not the biggest terror attack in history towards America, something that killed thousands of people. I really hope I don't need to remind you of what it is I'm thinking of, but if terrorists care enough to put that much effort into that scale of an attack, they are absolutely capable of much more, and you'd be damned to believe they aren't. Never underestimate your enemy.

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  • Edited by bergXX09: 6/20/2014 4:40:12 AM
    Man dude it's like you're pitching the next Call of Duty game. 9/11 was the result of our government ignoring warning signs and terrorists manipulating the lack of security within our airport transportation. There's a difference between holding up a plane of civilians and attacking a country with a nuclear weapon. 9/11 really wasn't that big of an attack and more people are killed by reasons other than terrorism every day. Do you think North Korea doesn't want to destroy the shit out of us? What about Iran, China, Russia, the entire Middle East, etc. The thing is that it takes a lot of technology, wealth, and intelligence to use weaponry on a distant country like the United States. The US has the highest spending on defense in the entire world by a very large portion, and the money hasn't gone to waste. A nuclear missile, even from Iraq's weaponry, would be shoddy and has an extremely low chance of success. If an attack was launched, it would hinder the terrorist's cause since it would make them an enemy to the entire world since nuclear attacks are seen as a crime against humanity. Other than "America is dead Allah Ackbar" there are no benefits to attacking America, and it's hilarious you think it would happen Like you sound incredibly crazy and naive. Or maybe senile And also lol at you acting like me studying foreign affairs, international relations, and foreign policy hinder my credibility. Better than being some nut conspiracist.

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  • I don't know why you keep bringing up Call of Duty like you get a boner by saying it. [quote]9/11 really wasn't that big of an attack[/quote] I'm sorry, but this just proves to me how stupid you really are. I'm seriously not trying to offend you but this statement is just so incredibly stupid that I don't know how else to handle it. 9/11 was arguably the single most destructive terrorist attack in modern history. For God's sake, they destroyed two of some of the biggest and most iconic buildings in the WORLD, and if you're going to sit there and tell me THAT isn't a big attack, you sir really are losing lots of credibility. [quote]Do you think North Korea doesn't want to destroy the shit out of us? What about Iran, China, Russia, the entire Middle East, etc. The thing is that it takes a lot of technology, wealth, and intelligence to use weaponry on a distant country like the United States. The US has the highest spending on defense in the entire world by a very large portion, and the money hasn't gone to waste. A nuclear missile, even from Iraq's weaponry, would be shoddy and has an extremely low chance of success.[/quote] Who ever said the bomb had to be planted on a missile? Look dude, I'm not trying to say that an atomic bomb is the next big thing to happen, and I admit to your face that it probably won't, but the point I'm trying to get across is that if Al Qaeda or whatever other terrorist group is out there is allowed to prance about unhindered, they will continue to wreak havoc on America and every other civilized country out there. [quote] If an attack was launched, it would hinder the terrorist's cause since it would make them an enemy to the entire world since nuclear attacks are seen as a crime against humanity.[/quote] Again, you prove to me how uninformed you really are. Terrorists do not care what the world thinks about them. Attacking and killing 2000 innocent civilians and destroying two buildings among the tallest in the world IS a crime against humanity, because they specifically targeted American civilians rather than the US military. [quote]Other than "America is dead Allah Ackbar" there are no benefits to attacking America, and it's hilarious you think it would happen[/quote] AMERICA WAS ALREADY ATTACKED. I'm amazed at how truly ignorant you really are. Terrorists would LOVE to see America destroyed, and to them it's extremely beneficial because they see America as this entity that hinders Islam, and if they can destroy us, that paves the way for Islam to be spread even further. [quote]Like you sound incredibly crazy and naive. Or maybe senile[/quote] I assure you, I am completely sane. I'm just simply aware of how the world works, and I don't live in a sugar coated world where terrorists apparently don't really want to cause America any harm. [quote]And also lol at you acting like me studying foreign affairs, international relations, and foreign policy hinder my credibility. Better than being some nut conspiracist.[/quote] First off, I laughed at you for saying you studied political science because it makes you look like a first class ass hole when you try to leverage yourself over me by saying something like that. Second, it doesn't give you any more credibility to say that you study political science when it's obvious your arguments are completely wrong. You either ignore or are completely ignorant of the state of the world, the agendas of the major terrorists groups out there, and the sheer determination that they have.

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  • What? I didn't say anything about them nuking us?

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  • This isn't AQ.

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  • They share the same ideology and Baghdadi is claiming he is fulfilling his duty to Bin Laden.

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  • They still aren't AQ. AQ doesn't affiliate with them.

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  • Edited by Mags: 6/19/2014 10:50:33 PM
    I'm well aware, dude. This is what I study. But not calling them an "AQ group" is false. They share the same ideology, most higher ups were all part of AQI, most higher ups also have (or had at one time) deep links and connections to various AQ leaders around the world, and they are following the guidance and orders of UBL. They may not be AQ nominally anymore, but they are definitely as much of an AQ group as any other group who doesn't have the formal recognition (Boko Haram, Caucasus Emirate, IMU, Haqqani Network, and the list goes on and on).

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  • AQ cut tied with them, they were fighting each other. Did your "studies" miss that part?

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  • Edited by Mags: 6/19/2014 11:15:10 PM
    Again, I am well aware of this. But you're missing the point of what makes a group "AQ-linked". Having substantial ties to various AQ groups and leaders (they have that), following the ideology of AQ (they do that), and for added bonus they claim to be on a mission gave to them by bin Laden. Zawahiri kicked them out, yes, but this does not render their connection or ideology irrelevant. What you seem to be doing is following the idea that the only AQ out there is AQ "core" in Pakistan. Fun fact: What is considered "core" AQ isn't all based in Pakistan. EDIT: I wouldn't test my credentials. Many people here can back me up. Ask DB5, we may disagree on how we interpret AQ, but we are two of the most informed people on AQ (and Islamic terrorism in general) on this site.

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  • No I'm saying that ISIS and AQ no longer deal with each other. I know there are AQ groups I'm not a moron.

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  • Then we had a miscommunication. They are no longer in the AQ-network, no, but saying that "this isn't AQ" isn't exactly true. That is what I was trying to get across here. I want to reiterate that they have essentially everything but the blessing of Zawahiri as a myriad of other jihadist groups in the world.

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    Al-Qaida is weak. ISIS stole AQ's thunder

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  • I wouldn't quite go that far, man. ISIS doesn't have the capabilities to hold on to this much land for long. Besides, I see AQ and ISIS reconciling in the near future. To not is bad for business for both, especially when ISIS starts to lose ground.

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  • Edited by DB5: 6/19/2014 10:28:33 PM
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    Why need a base when you have a Dawlah? That's the question a lot of AQ members/supporters are asking. AQ itself is looking redundant. A lot of fighters are dumping Zawahiri for Baghdadi thanks to Baghdadi actually delivering on the dream of an Islamic state. Zawahiri meanwhile continues to hide in his cave (Mansion? Compound? destiny forum?). There are calls for Zawahiri to pledge his allegiance to Baghdadi -- not the other way around. Any reconciliation would be along those lines.

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