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I could be mistaken as it was a few years ago in D1, but didn’t Bungie say fanfic could/would be canonical? Because of the “executive decisions” pre-launch when they did Staten super-dirty and destroyed his narrative
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  • I don’t recall them ever saying that. The closest they came was referring to grimoire as folklore in that it’s not all necessarily set in stone details.

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  • Fanfic is somewhat canon because of alternate timelines and all that good stuff. Bungie has supported peoples’ fanfics and they are fine with it being in lore as they have publicly stated, because it is a form of lore.

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  • https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/250726335?sort=0&page=0&path=1 Found the post from a while ago Shadow. [quote]Fanfic is somewhat canon because of alternate timelines and all that good stuff.[/quote] No one is advocating for removing fanfiction from lore. It is about labeling it correctly. [quote]Bungie has supported peoples’ fanfics[/quote] Go find your source on this because if they have? Then we need to see where they took an existing fanfiction and made it current canon. [quote]they are fine with it being in lore as they have publicly stated, because it is a form of lore.[/quote] That is not even remotely close to the argument which occurred back then and today. As a matter of fact, fanfiction was recommended into offtopic more than lore and it was rightfully pointed out that fanfiction would not be well received there and it was still related to destiny. Filling in holes or going past canon in lore is fine. But it isn't canon. Bungie determines what is and what isn't canon for this EXACT reason.

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  • [quote] Go find your source on this because if they have? Then we need to see where they took an existing fanfiction and made it current canon. [/quote] I think you're misunderstanding the notion of supporting fanfic writers. They clearly support fanfic writers because they've said that our place to post our fanfic is, in their eyes, in the Lore forum. Plenty of games have a very active and massive role-playing community that's supported by the game developers. They'll add a role-playing status tag, or role-playing forums.

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  • [quote]I think you're misunderstanding the notion of supporting fanfic writers.[/quote] That's not the topic at all. Fanfiction writers will exist with or without bungie support. The topic is the difference between established lore in the games, published works like grimoire anthologies, and cookbook, and a person on the internet writing something destiny-related. Big difference there. [quote]They'll add a role-playing status tag, or role-playing forums.[/quote] You have missed the point entirely. Back to topic: Fanfiction writers can and should label their posts so it is easier for discussion lore posts to be found. Again, this was established a while ago (looking back at 2019 threads when it was merged) and for some reason it has been lost. This is merely a post to get us back to that standard. Nothing more.

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  • [quote][quote]I think you're misunderstanding the notion of supporting fanfic writers.[/quote] That's not the topic at all. Fanfiction writers will exist with or without bungie support. The topic is the difference between established lore in the games, published works like grimoire anthologies, and cookbook, and a person on the internet writing something destiny-related. Big difference there. [quote]They'll add a role-playing status tag, or role-playing forums.[/quote] You have missed the point entirely. Back to topic: Fanfiction writers can and should label their posts so it is easier for discussion lore posts to be found. Again, this was established a while ago (looking back at 2019 threads when it was merged) and for some reason it has been lost. This is merely a post to get us back to that standard. Nothing more.[/quote] My dude, you're not actually following the conversation. That is precisely what "Bungie supporting fanfic writers" means. I get that that's not what your OP is about, but I specifically didn't respond to your OP. I responded to a lower comment. I don't disagree with the fanfiction label, I'm pointing out that Bungie supporting fanfic writers =/= they adopt fanfic into canon lore.

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  • [quote]My dude, you're not actually following the conversation.[/quote] No. That's you. [quote]That is precisely what "Bungie supporting fanfic writers" means[/quote] 100% completely detached from reality. Bungie clarified that when they folded the community tag and tab? Fanfiction would be folded into lore. This was highly controversial as lore is for discussion. Not creation. [quote]I responded to a lower comment.[/quote] All subtopics are related to the main topic. Otherwise the thread will devolve and become just about opinions. This is about solutions and what can be done. If people don't know each other and clarify their positions? Then ok. A post or two won't hurt to clarify things, but the topic doesn't change.

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  • [quote][quote]My dude, you're not actually following the conversation.[/quote] No. That's you. [quote]That is precisely what "Bungie supporting fanfic writers" means[/quote] 100% completely detached from reality. Bungie clarified that when they folded the community tag and tab? Fanfiction would be folded into lore. This was highly controversial as lore is for discussion. Not creation. [quote]I responded to a lower comment.[/quote] All subtopics are related to the main topic. Otherwise the thread will devolve and become just about opinions. This is about solutions and what can be done. If people don't know each other and clarify their positions? Then ok. A post or two won't hurt to clarify things, but the topic doesn't change.[/quote] I quoted something [i]you said[/i] and your immediate response is to argue that quoting you has no bearing because it's not the topic. That's some next level thinking. Bungie has said fanfic goes into the lore subforum, directly implying that it has a place on the forums at all. That's to say nothing for common sense. I don't know why you're dead set on suggesting that the only way Bungie can support fanfic writers is by considering their fanfic to be canon lore. But then again, I'm suddenly reminded of why I rarely post on these forums. This conversation is like wading through a vat of molasses.

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  • [quote]I quoted something you said and your immediate response is to argue that quoting you has no bearing because it's not the topic. That's some next level thinking.[/quote] Next level thinking is what you are currently doing. Or just trolling. I'm still trying to figure out what you are exactly complaining about. [quote]Bungie has said fanfic goes into the lore subforum, directly implying that it has a place on the forums at all.[/quote] You must be really young to think Bungie directs... changes... or even influences what users will post about. [quote]I don't know why you're dead set on suggesting that the only way Bungie can support fanfic writers is by considering their fanfic to be canon lore.[/quote] Ok, now you are definitely trolling. That was your point. I explained Bungie supporting storycrafting from an end-user standpoint used to be in the community tab and now you suggesting that Bungie works lore and fanfiction folklore (at best) are similar because they are here. You could just as easily remove fanfiction into a new area and call it a day. At the end, my point is still the same: Discussion lore should be the primary component to the lore section because it is about canon lore. Fanfiction deviates from that and isn't labeled properly. Let's change that. [quote]This conversation is like wading through a vat of molasses.[/quote] You keep suggesting lore and fanfiction are the same because they are simply part of the same subforum. I am suggesting that discussion of canon lore takes priority for "lore" label and "fanfiction" label is for fanfiction. It's not about removing the fanfiction either like you suggested.

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  • Edited by Gaellais: 1/13/2022 8:08:49 PM
    [quote][quote]I quoted something you said and your immediate response is to argue that quoting you has no bearing because it's not the topic. That's some next level thinking.[/quote] Next level thinking is what you are currently doing. Or just trolling. I'm still trying to figure out what you are exactly complaining about. [quote]Bungie has said fanfic goes into the lore subforum, directly implying that it has a place on the forums at all.[/quote] You must be really young to think Bungie directs... changes... or even influences what users will post about. [quote]I don't know why you're dead set on suggesting that the only way Bungie can support fanfic writers is by considering their fanfic to be canon lore.[/quote] Ok, now you are definitely trolling. That was your point. I explained Bungie supporting storycrafting from an end-user standpoint used to be in the community tab and now you suggesting that Bungie works lore and fanfiction folklore (at best) are similar because they are here. You could just as easily remove fanfiction into a new area and call it a day. At the end, my point is still the same: Discussion lore should be the primary component to the lore section because it is about canon lore. Fanfiction deviates from that and isn't labeled properly. Let's change that. [quote]This conversation is like wading through a vat of molasses.[/quote] You keep suggesting lore and fanfiction are the same because they are simply part of the same subforum. I am suggesting that discussion of canon lore takes priority for "lore" label and "fanfiction" label is for fanfiction. It's not about removing the fanfiction either like you suggested.[/quote] I've literally never suggested that fanfic is canon lore. Why would I? One is canon. One is fanfic. There is no argument to be had there??? [u][i][b]However[/b][/i][/u], Bungie themselves said that fanfic belongs in the lore forum because it's the most appropriate forum for it. [i]So it's welcome here.[/i] I also said, point blank, I have no issue with the fanfic label. My initial post said the following and only the following, and it has been my only reason for this god forsaken conversation in the first place: > Someone said Bungie supports fanfic writers. > You quoted that and said you needed a source showing Bungie adopting fanfic into canon lore to back up this claim of Bungie supporting fanfic writers. > I quoted you saying that, and said that they don't need to adopt fanfic into canon lore in order to "support" fanfic writers. Holy smokes.

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  • Edited by PhNx Hellfire: 1/14/2022 2:54:40 AM
    [quote]However, Bungie themselves said that fanfic belongs in the lore forum because it's the most appropriate forum for it. So it's welcome here.[/quote] No one is arguing for fanfiction to be placed in another place. Only to be labeled correctly. [quote]it has been my only reason for this god forsaken conversation in the first place:[/quote] You should really pick your words more carefully then. To clarify a point is one thing, but to highlight away from the topic at hand is what caused this devolution in the conversation. [quote]> Someone said Bungie supports fanfic writers.[/quote] That's not true. To be more specific, the Bungie team will never try and claim they support fanfiction outside of their own interests. It is never official or otherwise because to do so would be to draw liability and potential copyright issues if anything overlapped in the games or published material. There is a big distinction to be made about what is "Bungie support" and what it is to be "Bungie employee support" Bungie is now the adjective to the employee and support becomes an adverb. [quote]> You quoted that and said you needed a source showing Bungie adopting fanfic into canon lore to back up this claim of Bungie supporting fanfic writers.[/quote] I called for an official source that stated Bungie as a company was now adopting, using, or otherwise taking advantage of fanfiction writers' work for their own interest. Yes. And I will always call for that because I find it hard to believe that Bungie would knowingly bring risk when they are already under the strain of covid and other company issues. [quote]> I quoted you saying that, and said that they don't need to adopt fanfic into canon lore in order to "support" fanfic writers.[/quote] As a company with the copyright for official lore? Yes, they do. Adopting or using another's work is plagiarism and theft to name a few potential consequences and can lead to a lot of potential issues. An employee using their own support is quite another thing entirely.

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  • My comment stands true regardless of what you want to say. And I will not be sharing my private conversations with Bungie employees to prove anything. I have nothing further to say on this matter.

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  • [quote]And I will not be sharing my private conversations with Bungie employees to prove anything.[/quote] Not asking you to. Nor would I believe it honestly if a Bungie employee admitted to it. There is too many ways for me to see that as shady, deceitful, and downright lazy if a bungie employee would admit to that. They should be doing their own work. Not plagiarizing others. [quote]I have nothing further to say on this matter.[/quote] Canon lore published by bungie is lore and deserves to be here. Fanfiction might be ideas for Bungie to utilize, but it isn't canon until it gets used.

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  • Do you actually know what the word "support" means? In what world does support mean stealing fanfic and turning it into canon? It means they [u][b]support[/b][/u] the fanfic community. They approve of people writing fanfic and having fun with it. Some of them probably even enjoy reading it. I cannot express how deeply I regret responding to this thread. Mother of god.

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  • [quote]Do you actually know what the word "support" means?[/quote] A simple google search would tell you such an answer: Support definition- approval, encouragement, or comfort. [quote]In what world does support mean stealing fanfic and turning it into canon?[/quote] When it is used as a verb: Bear all or part of the weight of; hold up. Because that gives them a credible sense of the legal weight for contribution. Why are you starting a new discussion over this? [quote]It means they support the fanfic community.[/quote] Never said they didn't. I merely stated it needs to be labeled properly in one context and that Bungie canon lore is not the same as fanfiction lore which is more of folklore at best than anything else. Sorry kiddo, but this is now like the 3rd or 4th time I have had to explain this to you. Read the points and if you don't have anything else to contest? Just let it go. [quote]They approve of people writing fanfic and having fun with it.[/quote] No one is saying, again, that it shouldn't be that way. Merely labeled correctly. For the 5th time. [quote]I cannot express how deeply I regret responding to this thread. Mother of god.[/quote] Kiddo, if you want to get angry over this then you need to make valid points. The points being made are going to be repeated again and again and again until you realize them. Absolutely no one is saying folklore isn't supposed to be something we talk about. It's the same example, down below buried in other posts, but here it is again: [quote]You wouldn't expect a piece of fiction, in a library, to end up in the non-fiction section and the library goes saying, "deal with it." We place those tags to be appropriate... and so others can find what they are looking for... and if one section just happens to be off? Well, that responsibility belongs to the person who chose to place their book in the non-fiction section when it was really fiction. There is zero reason to boot one section out. We all came to the library. Now it's just about making sure we are all sorted out correctly because there is no "librarian" to correct a mistake, but we can instantly edit something.[/quote]

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  • That’s like saying those weird AUs for (insert game title) are canon. That’s not how that works at all.

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  • If they ever did, it wasn’t accepted as different writers would probably clash on the details.

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