A lot of people here saying they want him to change back so they can kill him again and again, makes me feel like most people playing have no clue of the lore and backstory to uldren lol. Think its easy to forget uldren was under influence from riven, and was being manipulated. Wasn't a black and white situation. Most things aren't actually.
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Edited by PhNx Hellfire: 9/30/2021 9:28:54 PM[quote]under influence from riven, and was being manipulated[/quote] And riven was under the command of.... who... Thank you for pointing out issue #1 and why Petra even said that Savathun has her clutches into you. He is a 100% liability now and we don't even know if ANY detail has been manipulated by a hive goddess of deceit. But you keep believing that there is no foul play here.
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Edited by Fai: 10/1/2021 1:24:32 AMI do suspect foul play myself, but I’m not sure in exactly what, I’ve been looking to the theory that Crow is her guinea pig, that showing him some of Uldren’s (or [i]his[/i] idc how ppl see him) memories from when she was controlling/influencing to see if the memories she was involved in could be preserved in some form even after his death. Perhaps to use this ability for herself if she dies? And sure, she could twist the memories against us, to kill two birds in one stone. But she may have wanted them to be accurate as possible if she was testing her little memory saver ability, if she plans to use it with herself, after all. Either way, major ulterior motives, she does not mean well for Crow. That’s just a theory, and I’m not the one who came up with it, and I’m not gonna act like I’m a genius for thinking “hey that could happen maybe” tbh, I feel like an idiot for forgetting which planets were in each Destiny game and got them mixed up somehow, which you may or may not have seen. And you’re right, he is responsible for what decisions he makes and him fleeing in a panic wasn’t a good decision on his part. I hate how Bungie handled a good chunk of it. Him acting irrationally has been set up by everything in this season, it’s like h*ll itself is being unleashed on him, it always had been rough for him so it’s just compounded upon and he just couldn’t take it anymore. It doesn’t even feel like my guardian is part of the game, it just feels like I’m watching a soap opera with an emo bird man and a moth lady trying to forcefully adopt said emo. I really like Crow, so maybe I’m in denial, idrk. Or I’m dumb. Haven’t exactly presented myself as the smartest person. I thought this comment was just saying that people were so eager to make Crow suffer if the opportunity presented itself just seemed a little wrong when that isn’t even certain to happen. I apologize if any of my comments seemed rude. I like discussing theories and lore, and I can get a bit too opinionated sometimes.
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Edited by PhNx Hellfire: 10/1/2021 1:02:15 AM[quote]memories for when she was controlling/influencing to see if the memories she was involved in could be preserved in some form even after his death.[/quote] We have no absolute verifiable way to do that, but his actions will be scribed to his status as a guardian. As is the case of Sola in ToO lore- a guardian can go bad without mind manipulation. It's a choice Crow needs to make. The issue here is whether someone will die before Witch Queen or during it. We know Zavala is a target potentially. [quote]I hate how Bungie handled a good chunk of it.[/quote] That explanation, while rationale, was Crow couldn't handle a lifetime of memories flooding into him at once. Fair point Bungie. The issue is not him leaving and simply silently saying let me process this. The issue is the underlying conditions which are not only highly probable if a powderkeg situation goes off, but when the next one will go off and he won't be able to control the bad tendencies he is now very much aware of. [quote]it always had been rough for him so it’s just compounded upon and he just couldn’t take it anymore.[/quote] Like I originally said, there are two extreme options on the table. One he becomes a combination of Crow/Uldren with good intentions and ends up as he did (hence the phrase the road to hell is paved with good intentions) and the other? He goes from bad to... a lot worse. The concern is his capability to not be manipulated to that second point. Because a guardian on a rampage in the last city is a worse scenario than the Vex one. [quote]Haven’t exactly presented myself as the smartest person.[/quote] Wisdom and intelligence are two things I appreciate about anyone. You have both so far and if you have both in your normal interactions? Then you probably will never disappoint honestly. [quote]I thought this comment was just saying that people were so eager to make Crow suffer[/quote] The conversation on something so singular as this topic is going to make an extremist point of view come from any side when they aren't our own. Conversations like the one we are having is fine because we diffuse the situation and try to find a singular source of where these things can come from. The phrase, "Listen son. It's not you versus them. It's you and them versus the problem in between you two." applies to us.
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I know about the lore and me wanting to kill him again and again has nothing to do with riven nor cayde. I've been wanting to kill him since the first time we met him in d1, and he talked -blam!- and pulled a knife on us lol
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People are stuck on "he killed Cayde" and that's it. They physically and mentally cannot go beyond that, it's like a brick wall.
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Was thinking the same thing. I reread the Forsaken Prince recently. Nobody seems to address how he was corrupted, I guess they assumed he just woke up one day like “I’m gonna kill Cayde!!” Not that he was tortured as well, until he was completely insane, either…. He didn’t magically end up in prison because he was rude, something led to that point, and a [i]lot[/i] of things did. Don’t mind people disliking him but some say that they are using lore and logic to claim people who DO like Crow are being irrational… Uldren before the Black Garden, and Riven, and all of that horrible stuff he went through, was a decent person and I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t kill him over and over for the heck of it. But I don’t know, maybe people would. Nothing is really set in stone right now, anyway.