My take on the Ghost revival process is that once your guardian dies, that guardian is dead. There is no coming back for that biological version of that being.
What your ghost does is the following:
Stores your guardian’s entire atomic composition in its memory so that it can rebuild a new guardian from scratch using the surrounding matter.
Stores all your guardian’s memories and re-downloads them into the new guardian it just created from scratch.
The new guardian is merely a copy of the old guardian, but it thinks it’s the same being — resurrected. The old guardian is permanently dead and cannot be brought back in the traditional sense of the word ‘resurrection’.
Imagine teleportation devices existed today. We would need a device that could analyse your entire atomic composition, atom for atom. It would then need an immense amount of storage space to store that atomic composition analysis as a readable data dump. That data will then need a extremely fast processor so you could very quickly be de-constructed and then re-assembled on the other side wherever you were teleporting to. This is all a bit Star Trekky.
But also, the interesting part is that because your atomic composition has now been stored permanently as DATA; it now means that what you essentially have is a COPYING device. So in theory YOU (Yourself) wouldn’t have to actually go anywhere... rather, instead you could just have the device use the data it has stored about you to then construct you atom by atom as a copy of yourself. So two of you would now exist at the same time. To choose for yourself to be analysed and deconstructed, would mean to be killing yourself (or at least by definition that version of yourself). Your data would then be sent via satellite to a destination far far away and the receiving device would simply gather the data and construct a new being based on that data. Your earlier deconstructed self is still dead, and this new re-constructed being is a completely new person - just with the same memories.
So basically all your ghost does is use the available atoms in the surrounding matter to re-construct an up-to-date copy of yourself with all your memories thus far. That’s it.
The ‘immortality’ isn’t really REAL because the old version of your guardian is still long gone. The new version BELIEVES it’s still the same person because it has all the memories and thinks it’s been brought back to life but the old version if it still had a lingering mystical consciousness would still be sitting in limbo - dead.
What are your thoughts Guardians? Are we really immortal? Is ‘The Light’ merely an unmeasurable fantastical form of intelligent energy that serves as a super futuristic processor so it could handle all this data via your ghost? Or is ‘The Light’ a spirit medium that can truly preserve your soul and transfer it between bodies after each death?
Given the fact that your ghost is piece of tech I believe that ‘The Traveller’ is an extremely good willed version of The Vex and ‘The Light’ is a substance or energy that is similar to the ‘Radiolaria’ white stuff that fuels inside The Vex. Except The Traveller has found how to use it in a way that empowers Guardian’s and makes them immortal from an A.I perspective — through unlimited copies of themselves.
Thoughts people?
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They are immortal until either you stop buying the game or the franchise ends.
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3 RepliesThe way that I think about it is that your body is restored by the light. I believe your ghost had a specific guardian to find and ressurect your soul and body with the light, and keep restoring it every time you die from pain. If you die too fast, you will die. If you live, you get healed. I don't believe the guardians body is copied, just revived. Like you just woke up from sleeping. I also believe that the guardian doesn't age, need food, sleep, or anything because they have been "replaced" I guess with the light. Once your ghost is dead, the light is gone, and you're not mortal any more. I believe you'd then be a normal human, exo, or awoken. I know it kinda dounds a little messy but thsts kinda how i think of the guardian. Does that make any sense? 😅
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1 ReplyEdited by Tax, Kell of Mail Fraud: 1/27/2018 12:11:31 AMGuardians actually are immortal. Your ghost does resurrect the original you. When Jaren Ward was killed by Dredgen Yor, his ghost was spared and became Shin Malphur's ghost. If what you're saying was true Jaren's ghost would have simply resurrected Jaren. That being said guardians are only immortal as long as they have their ghosts, don't have their light extracted from them or their ghost, or are killed by the Darkness, abilities derived from the Darkness or Darkness-empowered weapons.
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Edited by FataLVisioN_Oo: 1/27/2018 2:57:47 PMI'm going with no. If they were..... why do we wipe everytime someone dies in a raid? 🤔 Wouldn't we just come back to life and keep pew pewing? Dangit I blew my arm and both my legs off with that rocket... it's ok ghost has me... I'll just throw a grenade..... once every 45 minutes. BTW ghost I'll probably need another revive in 30 seconds from all the blood loss so be on stand by.... could someone put my head on my body so I can atleast see relatively what my hand is doing 😁
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I like it. But that begs the question: Has a Ghost ever made a mistake when resurrecting a Guardian and accidentally given them a form of Space Cancer?
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1 ReplyYou're thinking too much about it. Bungie writes the lore, this hasn't explicitly been stated, therefore it doesn't exist. You can't just make stuff up and say you think that's the way it works. If bungie hasn't said it works that way, then it doesn't.
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1 ReplyI think, it’s just a game
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1 ReplyNot the traveler vex part, but I do believe that they can Rez your actual corpse, not killing you, but total disintegration, not a chance
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1 ReplyWhile Guardians are known to come back from total destruction, even at an atomic level, the Zevala origin trailer disproves the idea of the copy as after his rebirth, the ghost keeps rezzing the same corpse.
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Technically, we are already dead. We have been dead for a couple hundred years (I’m pretty sure) and the Ghost that found us, fills our body with Light, or a para casual energy. This energy simply gives us power, consciousness, and the ability to reanimate our body. So yes and no, we are immortal, but already dead.
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1 Reply"I didn't know a guardian could die - until they did." ~ Lord Saladman 2016
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1 ReplyWhat if the stranger was a guardian that figured this whole ressurection v atomic copying thing and somehow deviated a permanent copy (or copies) from her ghost. Enabling her to deliver messages to us while fighting at the same time.. She lives.
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2 RepliesEdited by Suite-D: 1/25/2018 9:36:26 PMInteresting concept. It would explain why the guardians were resurrected with no memory of their past life. I've been working on a fan story based on something similar
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2 RepliesThis is basically the same philosophical argument behind Star Trek's transporters. Are the people who appear on the other end the same or did we just kill someone and copy them? You might like this book "Age of EM", where EM are emulated (copied) human minds. Are they the same person or something (someone) else?
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2 RepliesAsher Mir is an Awoken Warlock how come he’s missing an arm?
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1 ReplyHuman beings live on well past 300..I believe they can die of old age. Also Bray Corp made exos. Human conciousness was transferred into a robot. So if you count exos as people then yes they are immortal.
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1 ReplyGood question, idk, but I am. Buy silver
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4 RepliesQUOTE: Stores your guardian’s entire atomic composition in its memory so that it can rebuild a new guardian from scratch using the surrounding matter. More likely your Ghost just reuses the material from your corpse. More convenient. Even if you've been incinerated or disintegrated, your Ghost can presumably retrieve most of the bits. However, consider the beginning... you've been dead for hundreds of years. Your flesh decayed or was eaten by animals (or Fallen). Your bones crumbled. Not much left of you, so your Ghost has to create you a new body from available biotic material. Totally new brain, totally new body. So unless your soul was floating disembodied next to your corpse for centuries, awaiting resurrection... is there really anything of you left? Are you a revived former warrior, or a construct created completely by the Traveler, via your Ghost? Best not to think about it too much.
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7 RepliesWho cares
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Edited by Shere Khan : 1/24/2018 10:13:49 PMFalse only because it is possible to return from the dead without a ghost using just light by flying through the veil
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No, because your hard drive is going to fail eventually.
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3 RepliesThe essence of your being is your Light. An immaterial energy that transcends death. Your body is merely a vessel for that Light. Though your body may perish your Light persists. When you die your Ghost reconstructs your body so that your Light can inhabit it. So long as a Ghost and their Guardian's Light remain intact you are immortal. If a Guardian or Ghost loses their Light then you no longer have anything to be revived with. You are mortal. This is how Guardians are actually killed.
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2 RepliesAt least the borderlands games answered that question in there game. Can’t wait for borderlands 3!!!!!!!
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If your ghost dies then so do you
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If that were the case then how would self resurrection of Sunsingers work?
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Space Unkindled.