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Hope this doesnt count as a necro and i know its long but its important and very relevant so please read through it regarding how the RDM, agility as a stat, and the mida all work together on the hunters. (im a die hard max agil+RDM+Mida hunter BD preferably but i cant ignore the void bow max agil spec with keen) From my understanding RDM was supposed to negate the movement speed on ADS movement. According to your post ads reduc is 24 and RDM only cancels out 18 of that? Ive never heard that the mida gave comparatively extra ads movement speed to say negate the full downside of said ads speed reduc. So im wondering now is this all true, and if so will combining RDM+mida give me a 27% ads movement speed bonus meaning i only gain a 3% actual movement speed bonus to ads compared to 100% of the normal movement speed you would have? I mean say your only getting a total 3% increased move speed on your ADS movement with mida+RDM then when you look at the normal bonuses your still suffering a huge penalty to your ADS movement speed comparatively which makes RDM feel kinda worthless compared to how they are described in the game. Not saying i wont be using this setup anymore im just curious where you got these numbers and or how. Ive always felt running max agil as a blade dancer year one with RDM my ads speed matched my non ads speed, and the mida only heightened both speeds equally. My original explanation to other on the topic regarding movement speed max agil and going past that used to go something like this so please correct me on this agility stat im about to throw out. "I could have sworn there used to be a place on the site, or on a 3rd party site where the agility stat was viewable but it no longer is, or i was imagining thing." (Im quoting myself there) But afaik classes once leveled will have a base 4 armor(maybe it was 2 not 4 i forget), 4 recovery, and with every possible agility enhancing blade dancer perk you could take your base agility to 10 which is the highest you can reach which others cant naturally. The difference between having your hunter who needs his armor and recovery of say 8 and 10 agility wont really be different, you wont be able to tell, however for some reason the game starts adding in agility past 10 as a multiplicative bonus which means once you hit 11 your gonna notice a big difference from 10 to 11, and using lightweight gives you a whole +2 from your weapon. Now imagine using the mida which has lightweight and another exotic bonus to increase movement speed, thats why its so powerful for the hunters. Introduce the RDM and then my story went to include, "Now imagine that scenario but youve got boots on that allow you to move at your normal strafing speed while ads, people are gonna have an impossible time trying to hit you." Also irrc either the mida or the RDM also, or maybe it was the max agil combo something i know made it so that your move speed was indistinguishable from your sprint speed so i had to drill myself in not activating sprint unless entering a blink due to the fact that entering and exiting the sprint left me vulnerable while sprinting itself netted me no gains whatsoever with this setup. Im a returning vet but i used to know all this stuff like a scientist i was obsessed with all the stats in this game, everything datamined, min maxing like crazy and perfecting balances, collecting everything, i went crazy back then for this game so i know most of that is right on point unless its changed since say january or last dec. Considering my memory is a lil foggy pls do correct me on anything and let me know if any patches changed any of the info i pulled out.
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  • I showed the tests at the end of the video. Basically i ran, walked etc. down a hall way in the cosmodrome and recorded how long each took. The tests were done at min. hunter agility, I may take a look at how things affect movement when using over max stability in the future but not any time to soon tho. The RDM do not on their own negate the speed loss from ADSing but matched with the Mida more than will. Ya I guess the game/community does make the RDM look better than they are although 18% faster ADS isn't to bad. For agility I have also heard that its becomes multiplicative once over the max but i've not tested it my self to see if it is in fact true. Sorry for not responding sooner :(

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  • no worries but i can confirm it is at least not linearly additive due to the fact that i had been testing back in the early days before i had a mida running lightweight with 9 agil and 10 agil noticing that 9 to 11 was massive, 9 to 10 was nothing, 10 to 11 was still crazy, and 10 to 12 was just mind blowing, when i got the mida in the mix i couldnt get enough of it and ever since it was always my light weight lord high fixer on max agil blade dancer then max agil nightstalker or w.e and once hand cannons got totally nerfed for like the millionth time and were all shoved into a ttk/stk archtype of only 3 types or 3 categories, the 3 shot to killers the 2 shot to killers and the fast ttk 3 shot to killers mainly unless u wanna look at sub archetypes which like is beyond stretching it to try and say the hand cannons had variation. But yeah anyways i have no citation but i can confirm the agility is probably multiplicatively after 10 but i know for a fact does not continue with the normal linear scale on the 1-10 scale (not that youd ever be able to experience 1 agil unless ur a titan at level 1 maybe?) Sorry im rambling, but yeah sorry i didnt see the end of the video i guess, i didnt see any timed runs for proof or what have you. One last thing tho can you clear up your last comment you confused me just like i was before. From what my brain understand from the letters on the screen :P you said that the RDM does negate the ads move speed penalty but then right at the end you wrapped up and said RDM is only 18% but from what i recall either ur vid or OP was saying the ads penalty is larger than 18% no? Sorry for the brain dead response here today, ive been awake for 3 days. Being forced to move on an impossible schedule or scale or level whatever word works best for you.

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  • RDM does not negate the ADS speed reduction (24%). It allows you to move 18% faster while ADS compared to normal ADS, which would be 6% slower than non ADS.

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  • Huh i wonder where i picked that bit of info up then, cuz i believed it to be true and thats half the reason i loved em so much the other half was just that it was such a massive difference, it always felt like it was normal move speed, but maybe thats because i always ran with 12 agil or a mida so it may have been less noticeable with that massive initial boost to normal move speed @ 12 agil. Now i wanna go test my old hand cannon with my blade dancer spec and RDM to see ads movement timed distance test vs non ads :P too bad im so busy with my move or id probably actually go test this as i have the means to do it fairly easy. Anyways thanks for all the insight, quick replies, but most importantly for being friendly. Ive been spending less and less time in game forums because of how fast they can become toxic or go up in flames. But that just may be because im usually most active in the forums of any given game at its peak when everyone and their mom is on and probably in the forum.

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  • Ya doing tests, vids and such is much harder for me due to school. I try to get something interesting done whenever I get the time although stuff like this one takes a long time.

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  • Do you have a totally streamlined way of recording editing and uploading for your tests or do you just make do with what you got like say the built in recorder? Ive got it stream lined like crazy still for maybe a week tops before it all comes down for the move so i could test anything on one of the days where i take a break. If theres anything your desperate for let me know and i can just upload some raw footage to twitch or youtube for you to then use as source material for whatever test you may be really wanting to get done.

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  • Ya my system is pretty streamlined. In the summer I was able to make nearly 3 videos a week. I've got a Black Magic capture card in my computer and I use Final Cut Pro for editing.

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  • How do you like the black magic, i got an Aver media live gamer Hd a while back but due to being obsessed with constantly tinkering on my PC and my bad luck with some hardware i couldnt use the thing for nearly half a year and by the time i got it working i just dont have the time to do any type of content creation/streaming/videos whatever, especially on a new device im unfamiliar with on software ive never used before :( I heard nothing but amazing things about the capture card tho, do you have any opinion on it cuz honestly i still dont know if it was worth buying being that i havent used it lmao

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  • It has some bugs and crashes sometimes, but is overall fairly reliable. Ya the software can be confusing and calibrating everything so it all works can be hard, you may have to call in into IT to figure it out because if it's not all setup perfectly it won't work.

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