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originally posted in: Who won the debate?
9/27/2016 3:00:35 AM
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All Hillary did was speak about platitude upon platitude while Trump brought some specific ideas he proposed. Hillary also lied about Trickle Down economics not working because it never happened. As soon as Reagan dropped taxes, Congress was right there to reverse Reagan's decision and to increase taxes. Hillary just called him a racist, a sexist and then went off on saying that we were all racist (implicit bias) and citing that Trump's "equal pay for equal work" was bad. How the hell is it bad that a man gets paid $10, let's say, for a month's work and a woman gets paid $10 for the EXACT SAME WORK She cited the same bullshit, easily debunked, and verifiably false Wage Gap shit, threw whites under the bus and suggested just raising the taxes on people was going to do just wonders for the economy. You know what economic review panel she was citing when she said "your plan will add another $5t to the debt"? She was citing Moody Analytics, the same Moody Analytics that was caught in 2008 selling their rating and greenlighting the Housing Bubble to all of the players of the Housing Bubble. They were bought and paid for in 2008 and that should ALWAYS remain known. They are the JD Power of the economics world, selling themselves like whores. And all of the talk about the nuclear shit omfg Clinton seriously? We had Operation Orchard just a while back where Syria was developing, under SANCTION, nuclear material that would've been compiled into a nuclear device that ISIS would've used to nuke Israel if Israel hadn't had bombed the hell out of it. Why the hell aren't you talking about this, Clinton?? And the hackers from Russia. Ffs. This is why Russia's Kremlin view you as the person to [urlhttps://foreignpolicy.com/2016/09/07/the-kremlin-really-believes-that-hillary-clinton-will-start-a-war-with-russia-donald-trump-vladimir-putin/=]start another nuclear war/Cold War[/url]. You're throwing Russia under the bus and they're sick and tired of being blamed for shit they didn't do. On attitudes, Trump stayed strong. While he faltered with the women comments which he could've easily rekt and he talked about Sean Hannity for a bit too long (but brought up a good point that the media SHOULD ask Sean), Hillary had nothing but the false promises and crocodile tears to shed that democrats have been doing for a century.
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  • Edited by Gravy Train: 9/27/2016 4:57:55 AM
    That $5 trillion deficit number was from the Tax Foundation, an independent research group that's been around since 1937. You should probably learn the facts then you'd realize how Trump doesn't seem to know many. When it comes to falsehoods, Trump stated much more than Clinton. He started off okay but feel apart around the middle and got real defensive and repetitive. Just because he says something three times, doesn't make it true.

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  • Wrong https://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/documents/2016-06-17-Trumps-Economic-Policies.pdf This is the "study" they're citing. We've seen this argument before and we're seeing it again. http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-donald-trump-s-tax-plan This is Tax Foundation's independent analysis which states that while Trump would reduce income, he would cut so much that the deficit would significantly shrink while creating 6m more jobs

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  • Your reading comprehension needs some work. [quote]The plan would also be a large tax cut, which would increase the federal government’s deficit by over $10 trillion, both on a static and dynamic basis.[/quote] That is straight from your tax foundation link. Thanks for proving me right.

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  • Nice reading comprehension yourself [quote]Our analysis finds that the plan would reduce federal revenues by $11.98 trillion over the next decade. However, it also would improve incentives to work and invest, which could increase gross domestic product (GDP) by 11 percent over the long term. This increase in GDP would translate into 6.5 percent higher wages and 5.3 million new full-time equivalent jobs. After accounting for increased incomes due to these factors, the plan would only reduce tax revenues by $10.14 trillion.[2][/quote] [quote]We did not account for profit shifting from abroad due to a lower U.S. corporate income tax rate. An increase in reported income in the U.S. could somewhat mitigate the revenue effects of the corporate rate cut. We also did not model the revenue impact of ending deferral. These are likely to be small in tandem with a corporate tax rate of 15 percent, because the 15 percent is lower than the average corporate tax rate abroad, so foreign tax credits make the additional U.S. tax in that case relatively small.[/quote] Look, I'm not even debating whether Trump's plan is good (although Tax Foundation said they find that many factors they didn't consider would work to mitigate to create a surplus). I'm just saying you're using the wrong source. Tax Foundation estimates $1t more in debt before any of the effects of the rapidly expanding economy take place. This spits in the face of Clinton's claim as it is double what she claimed. She was demonstrably incorrect and/or you're citing the wrong source. Tax Foundation, again, did not take into account any of the positive effects that this massively burgeoning economy, as estimated by them, would yield.

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