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Getting your radar and invisibility are pretty exotic. I'm ok with the base zoom being 7x if custom optics brings it down to 5x.
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  • Yes they are exotic. But why should that matter? Exotics are suppose to be really good guns. You can only have one of them. Custom Optics is just a gimmick perk that sidesteps reducing base zoom to what the other exotic snipers have on average. Which is 5.0x. Hereafter has 5.0x, Zen Meteor has 5.0x and Black Spindle has 5.0x. All of them have cool exotic perks but your to forced to run a perk to lower zoom to a competitive level. The thing with exotic weapons is they are suppose to be good. You only get the option to have one. If it sucks compared to a legendary, then why even waste the exotic slot on it?

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  • "Exotics are supposed to be really good guns." ~> No Land Beyond exists

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  • That is a good gun. If you take the time to learn to use it. Plenty of high skill players run it in sweaties. It also is unique in that it is the only sniper in the primary slot. Similar to Universal Remote being the only primary shotgun. So yes exotics are suppose to be good and fill a interesting role.

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  • What about in PvE? Doesn't feel very exotic there.

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  • Some Exotics are arguably better in PvP some in PvE. Dragon's Breath = PvE Black Spindle = PvE Universal Remote = PvP Etc.. Now obviously you could argue these guns can be used in either. But they still fill a role in either PvP or PvE and are good guns and do something interesting.

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  • It is good regardless of zoom bc you become invisible and have third eye on a sniper. I'm not saying I wouldn't prefer a lower base zoom, but making custom optics lower it closer to other exotic snipers seems like a good compromise. Otherwise it will be the only sniper you ever see in pvp. It's fine pve

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  • Edited by Retribution: 5/28/2016 6:55:33 AM
    No it wouldn't be because it's exotic. The invisibility is situational, the best part is being taken off radar. When scoping in you still have glare from the scope. Third eye and Field Scout are easily the best things it has going for it. But is it worth giving up Last Word, Hawkmoon, Truth, Universal Remote or any other exotic just for Third Eye, mediocre invisibility and Field Scout(which Zen Meteor also has)? I guarantee if they buff it as I have suggested you would still see most players using 1KYS, LDR and the Longbow for two reasons. First because they can snipe Roaming Supers and second you can run an exotic in the other slot. Hereafter has a 5.0x and the 3rd Highest Aim Assist at 75 after Zen Meteor and Weyloran's March. It can also blind people, but you don't see people running it in PvP at all. Why? More than likely because it can kill Roaming Supers. It's impact is too low like Patience and Time. It's still a good gun just not "Meta". Also Zen Meteor also has 5.0x, has the Highest Aim assist in the game at 80, can Snipe Roaming Supers and has Field Scout. I play Xbox so I'm not 100% on this but all the Destiny Youtubers are on PS4 and they aren't hyping the crap out of this gun... What are they all using? 1KYS, LDR or Longbow. Also Bungie has set a precedent by making all the scopes on the other exotic snipers 5.0x. Having Patience and Time, not only need to waste a perk, but for that perk to only reduce it to 6.5x from 7.0x doesn't fit with the other exotics snipers. Custom Optics needs to go it's a wasted perk. It adds nothing to the gun. High Caliber Rounds adds stagger in PvE which is nice, plus special ammo is common in PvE so you don't have to run Field Scout. Implementing my suggestion both makes it better in PvP as well as slightly better in PvE. It's not going to be god tier in PvE, but when Arc Burn comes High Caliber would be great.

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  • I was trying to agree with your main point. Now I'd just rather you bitch and moan for s few more months bc you have to have your way no matter what:

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  • Edited by Retribution: 5/28/2016 7:59:03 AM
    Wasn't bitching I was using logic and pre-establish in game exotics. As well as showing how the in game "Meta" would require more than just Jerry-rigging the completely out of place Custom Optics perk. I'm sorry using logic and sound reasoning means bitching... Classic repose though. Insulting me to compensate for the lack of constructive rebuttal. Shows real intelligence... Like the majority of users on the Bungie forums.

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  • Why try to explain my point when I already tried and no matter what I say you will think you are right? Kinda defeats the purpose

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  • Edited by Retribution: 5/28/2016 11:08:38 PM
    By explain you mean give a very general and hollow response with no examples or supporting information to go with it. You said you want lower zoom which is what I want. But for some reason you are attached to the custom optics perk... Because you think Patience and Time would be OP if it had 5.0x by default. Which I explained it wouldn't because there are these other exotic snipers called Zen Meteor and Hereafter. Which I then broke down how both these snipers have not only a 5.0x zoom but really strong stats (1st and 3rd highest Aim Assist) and interesting perks as well. Yet these snipers don't have a gimmick perk that players are forced to use to make it have standard zoom levels. I then explained how these snipers aren't OP or overused because the Hereafter (same impact as Patience and Time) can't snipe Roaming Supers. As well as both Hereafter and Zen Meteor doing this thing called taking up an exotic slot. This is why most players still use 100KYS, LDR or Longbow. Now rather than give any further useful information to this subject all you have done is have a big sook that I didn't agree with your half measure idea of keeping custom optics, a perk which basically forces you to take it. No I still think Custom Optics needs to go. It takes away choice from the middle column. Now if Custom Optics is gone in the middle column it frees people up to choose perks like Field Scout or Fitted Stock. Which both have appeal to different players. But what about what replaces Custom Optics? Good thing I put thought into it and suggested High Caliber Rounds. Why this perk specifically? Because it fills a certain role in PvE, it causes stagger. This gun needs both changes or else it won't see the light of day. Custom Optics takes away choice. I honestly don't understand your logic in arguing to take people's freedom to choose different perks and be forced to take a perk to make the gun even function properly. So yes I think I'm right here because I've put the time to look at Patience and Time as a whole, compare it to other Exotic Snipers and see where if the changes I suggested were made how it would effect the "Meta" (which it wouldn't because 1KYS, LDR and Longbow are still reigning king). There is a reason why people are grinding crucible packages and vanguard packages. I'll give you a hint... High Impact Snipers both LDR-5001 and the Y-09 Longbow Synthesis.

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  • Holy shit dude, relax. I'm not going to even read what you said at this point. Have a mute.

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  • Edited by Retribution: 5/28/2016 11:29:19 PM
    I am relaxed. There is no way to tell emotions through text. I haven't used any foul language and done nothing but use logic and in game information to put forward my case for changing the gun. It just shows your immaturity and limited mental capacity that you would just mute me and not take the time to read or process anything I've written thus far and come up with a meaningful or thought out response besides accusing me of bitching or being emotional. Which are traits you are displaying right now by muting me because you either read everything I wrote and see the flaws in your idea to keep custom optics showing that you are arrogant. Or that you are so close minded and intimated by the length of my post, which further breaks down why your suggestion of keeping Custom Optics is flawed. Honestly I don't care if you respond at this stage because you have brought nothing constructive to the table. People will take you more seriously next time if you actually formulate ideas and provide backing information to support those ideas. Rather than accuse the other individual of "bitching and moaning", then not reading what they write and then muting them.

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