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10/19/2015 2:15:45 AM
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This is the best theory there is for Destiny's story.

And who else could have made a video about other than the game theorists?

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  • It's easy to sign up to the beliefs of the Binary Star Cult. They are so very appealing - all the best cults are. Even Oryx believes that the Traveller is evil - though he believes that this is because the traveller lulls it's hosts into a false sense of security and makes them soft so that when the Hive arrive they are easy prey. Causing such softness is an act of evil to Oryx. If you look at the perspective of the host races though - most of them are not in a position to even consider fighting the Hive until they take in the Traveller. The Traveller arms every race that it encounters. Even to the point of building vast superweapons and rearranging solar systems. These races wouldn't have been able to do this alone. For humanity the Traveller finally fought Oryx at his own game. Oryx has the power to survive death. He has been killed repeatedly but has the means to return. The Traveller gifted this same immunity to death to Guardians. We would have never made this step by ourselves, or rather, would have been overcome by the Hive before we had a chance. Unfortunately the Traveller draws it's enemies along with it. Which is worse? To die on our 1 planet, with inferior weapons and no idea what hit us, or to be ascended to advanced technological species status but be the bait set out for the Darkness? I'd choose the chance to fight back.

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  • Edited by Ruin Tree: 10/19/2015 3:36:14 AM
    "There's this cool little things our brain does. It creates order in chaos. random noises can sound like words, even more so when you are told that's what they sound like. Bullshit shows like Ghost Hunters feed on this anomaly to convince people that there's actually a ghost talking to them, not just nonsense (ever wonder why centuries old ghosts in germany speak modern day english?) The Dreg did not say "the Darkness" but let's just assume they did. If they did, which again they didnt, evil is perspective. The -blam!-'s are the evil force because they were the ones we fought against, to them (the -blam!-), we were the evil force stopping them from doing whatever the hell their "this is why we're good guys" thing was. The Darkness is shown in the Book of Sorrow as a force from Fundament called the Deep by Hive such as Oryx and his sisters, so no we really can't be the Darkness seeing as how they are trying to destroy the Traveler. Yes i firmly believe the Traveler came to us knowing it was chased, knowign it needed an army, but that doesnt mean we're evil. We're fighting forces that would kill us, therefore we're good. The Traveler did bring them to us, but not for the intention of killing us, but for the intention of protecting itself. "proxy army" is one that you mention. This is her stance, this is why she does what she does. No offense, but it's like you read 4 cards and a reddit post at this point. So for the Black Garden yes they are worshipping, but no they aren't peaceful. As i said it's like you read 4 cards, again in the Books of Sorrow we see that Quria was the Vex mind in control that decided to worship. They stole a Worm, the connection to the Deep, and decided that the Hive God power was what they wanted to obtain. Stealing the Worm, and replicating the Darkness into the Proto-Darkness which is what we fight there, the Black Heart. The Deep Stone Crypt isnt a Guardian (5 grimoire cards, im sorry) it's in the perspective of an Exo. These were originally machines, entirely made to fight, war machines. But along the time-line, heavily suggested in Cayde-6's Journal, Exos were seeded with HUMAN consciousness. Fate of Skolas is just going back to the we're evil to them, but i'd like to call you out again on not actually doing your research because it's apparent and as someone who takes this seriously seeing this is like a slap in the face. The Great Machine is mentioned in more than just those areas. Whirlwind wsa the Darkness, and thanks to other Lore pieces it shows it was actually Oryx's brood that caused it. The Eliksni aren't against it! my god how how how -blam!-ing how. This is personal now. THEY WANT THE TRAVELER BACK! PLAY THE GAME AND IT LITERALLY SAYS THIS! and now you are believing an unknown reddit user. so yea. 5 cards and two reddit posts. I know i come off as a dick, but i feel like i should because this is offensive. I take this seriously, you've likely heard my name because people have actually contacted me asking if YOU contacted me before/after this video. Otherwise i wouldnt have even watched this thing or written this response. Your name carries weight, and that means it's your responsibilty to do your research before posting somehting like this. There are no doubt countless who will just subscribe to this theory because it's you telling them! and to be SO wrong on it too! Honestly i checked the date. I thought this must have been a year old and it's a mistake, there's so much that disproves everything youve said." —AnonPig, 2k15 [spoiler]In other words, this video is so very wrong[/spoiler]

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    • Edited by GraciousEel761: 10/21/2015 3:08:29 PM
      I read a Grimoire that I can not find at the moment about how the Great Machine is different from the Traveler. Something about it being an imposter or something. It was in the perspective of the Fallen. Edit: I got this from the flavor text for Baron's Ambition. It reads: [quote]"To crack open that depraved Earth-Servitor. To use its secrets to reclaim the Great Machine..." —Translated from Fallen Language[/quote] So there's that. I believe it may be intentionally ambiguous for purposes of sparking peoples imagination. Also, this is a really old theory, but it just has a lot more information in it now because of what has happened in all the expansions. I think its safe to say that the Traveler is not Good, so much as Light. Even Luke Smith hesitated when asked whether or not the Traveler was Evil.

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      • No it's not. Mattpat could have done a myriad of theories, but he chose the stereotypical destiny theory. No vex theory. No Osiris theory. Just the stupid evil traveler theory again

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        • Did he really mean it when he said he'd voice for the ghost? Get that man on board.

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          • I always thought the Traveler being evil was the worst theory ever.

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          • Old news.

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          • This theory is massively outdated man

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          • Not really because it is old recycled and disproved.

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          • Watch for later

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          • I particularly favor his theory on the Fallen, even though I already knew half of it.

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          • At 10:20 in the video, I feel I must mention that he left out the grimoire card referred to an Exo guardian. If you look at the grimoire, Exos are ancient war machines with humanlike minds made for an unknown conflict.

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          • This is more wrong than African children getting shirts of the right super bowl winners

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          • I feel like this is the one theory that Matpat has gotten completely wrong. Many of the things he says are contradicted by some of the other grimoire cards and new theory's that have been made. Maybe this script is a few months old and he is just now getting to finishing it but there is nothing new that he is bringing up.

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          • Let's start a counter for "destiny doesn't have a story" comments.

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            • Bump for later?

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              • I'm glad you posted it because I was about to, I hope they do add they into the story

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              • As much as I love GT, this isn't anything we didn't already know.

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                • I found a few flaws while watching it. a. Pujari was a warlock, not a hunter (mostly just a minor thing that kinda ticked me off) b. some people, myself included, believe that Pujari became Dredgen Yor, creator of Thorn. if this is correct, it more or less explains why he'd have such a negative view on the traveler c. the grimoire card he mentioned at 10:18 is talking about the Deep Stone Crypt, and is something all Exos, guardians or not, experience. d. he mentioned at some point in the fid that the Fallen wish to destroy the traveller, which isn't true. they believe that humanity stole the Traveler, and they wish to reclaim it. except for the House of Stone (or at least their Kell), but they seem to be the exception

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                  • DID THIS JUST COME OUT!!!!????

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                    • I -blam!-ing love game theory l. Matt is the best!

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                    • Good to see someone got this video out. I put up a forum about it and no one replied to it.

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                      • So the guys in the video dont read the grimoire...

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                        • https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/164021353/0/0 plz up vote for new emotes

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                          • But hey, that's just a theory. A [i]Game Theory[/i] :D

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                            • This video is ridiculous, especially coming from someone with as much pedigree as MatPat. This theory is utterly outdated.

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