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6/8/2015 11:57:54 AM
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Nerfing Thorn Makes no Sense at all

A Lot of Peoples Are thinking that nerfing the Thorn would change the balancing of the Crucible. But thats just BS. If the Thorn gets nerfed everyone is Going to use the Last Word and the Whole whining is Going to Repeat itself. So bungie shouldnt nerf the Thorn, instead they should buff the other weapons. Like autorifles. What do you guys think?

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  • If all guns were buffed up to thorn and TLW destiny wouldn't be fun. Gunfights would last .5 seconds because everyone would have low TTK guns. Skill wouldn't matter because everyone would have sick damage. I love Thorn and TLW bur honestly lowering TTK across the map would ruin this game. Nerf everything across the board and make it a skill game by raising TTK forcing people to land consecutive headshots and use stratagy.

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  • Both guns need looked at they're simply too good. I'm not calling for a nerf in a traditional sense, like we've seen across the board with most weapon archetypes. Honestly I don't believe that's what the community wants. We want these weapons to be good, sure, but fair, currently they're not. and Their prevalence in multiplayer is due to how user friendly they are on-top of being excessively powerful. Of course we're not talking about you specifically because you're a master of the crucible with you're .94 KD. However us other peasants, not ordained by the mercy of the Traveler must deal with these weapons. So let me as a mere mortal try and convey the issue to someone who's never dealt with it. Currently the Thorn has no draw backs, its a quick kill time, and it will ALWAYS kill in 2 head-shots 3 body shots, without exception. The weapon also has criminally easy handling, with the addition of Send It which not only add range, but bullet magnetism, (its how destiny accounts for the accuracy stat.) or Perfect Balance which allows you to spam the trigger uncontested, just for comparison Thorn has a 32 rate of fire, the exact same as the Last Word. Poison ensures that your opponent cant run and will always die, as long as the proper amount of shots has been placed on the target, see without poison the Thorn would require 3 to the head to kill and 4 to the body, falling in line with most Hand cannons and scout rifles. DoT however circumvents this. Then you have the video audio distortions when your hit with the weapon. Its simply too much. However with out DoT Thorn is just another hand Cannon The weapon is simply OP, because their is no down sides to using it. Balance requires a give and take a slower ROF, or one more shot to kill across the board, a reduction in the damage DoT does, a smaller mag size, a longer reload time, all of the above would help to make this gun more of a harasser, which I think it was always meant to be and less of the one gun to rule them all. The last Word's issues deal with its Damage perk, its glitched, and will grant bonus damage even when ADSed, and this happens all the time, I get it almost as often ADS'ed as I do not. The other issues is range, because of the way the weapon's damage bonus functions it is not always subject to damage drop off (if ever). The 111 will be awarded 1 foot away or 100 feet away, regardless of distance. TLW is a lot more fair then Thorn and does require more skill to use, however with the way the gun currently functions, not only is it broken, the nature of it being broken makes it OP, the gun already has a fast kill time with the fan fire, and is a 3 shot kill without the damage bonus. Red Death, I'd Like to see be one more shot to kill, but in that one more bullet to kill kinda way. Currently it takes 6 bullets to kill I'd like that to be upped to 7 or 8, simply because one if you nerf Thorn or TLW, Red Death would take its place, and two it heals you... Its a two shot kill that heals you, its not punishing enough for what it offers, there should be substantial risk reward. Also all shotguns need to be 2 shot kills, in PVP UNLESS you are in hugging distance. This will bring fusion rifles back, because they need to be the 2 shot RANGE killer, and shotguns need to be the 2 shot CQC killer, unless your in hugging range then its a 1 shot.

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    • Did you here Kackis's argument? Why are you talking about TLW? It has terrible range anyway.

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    • Hand cannons should never out do a rifle

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    • Your right they should not nerf thorn... They should nerf all hand cannons bwuahahaha

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    • Edited by Legendary OBC: 6/11/2015 5:08:15 AM
      I agree ARs need to be reverted. But I disagree on the not nerfing Thorn. Yeah Last Word can be tough to deal with sometimes. But there's more of a learning curve with that gun. As of now Thorn overperforms, plain and simple; and that's evident in crucible just by the sheer number of players using it. There are many good guns in the game, but none perform as well as Thorn without the right player pulling the trigger. Sure, buffing all other weapons could be an option, but..... a Crucible with ALL guns performing on Thorn's level sounds like complete overkill, and no fun.

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    • There's always going to be weapons that perform better then others, but that number should be higher than four or five.

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    • [quote]Thorn Deals 85 to the head With DOT deals 120 to the head With final round it deals 148 to the head A sniper body shot does about 151 damage (praedyths) tell me that shit isn't over powered. Timurs lash which has almost double thorns impact only deals 95 to the head as opposed to thorns 120 (dot) Timurs lash final round deals 126 thorns final round deals 148. Let that sink in. Copy and paste so people understand why it's over powered.[/quote]

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      • I suck at pvp, i decided the thorn was an unfair advantage and thats why I sucked. So i put in the time using red death and void weapons to get the thorn. Finally got it and got wrecked repeatedly trying to use it. I went back to red death and did well. The truth is I sucked because I sucked and with practice learnt how to suck less. (Still kinda sucky) but the thorn imo is fine.

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      • I feel like the Thorn is one of those weapons that have the "Go hard or go home disorder" Meaning that it's either great or obsolete

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        Just make it so the burn only activates on crits and can't be activated again until the original burn stops

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        • This

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        • The only thing I think they should do to thorn is make the burn non lethal. I don't think they should take away the burn because that'd be taking away its main perk but I think it's stupid how you only need to be shot by it a couple of times and then more often than not all the wielder needs to do is hide while you burn out.

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          • They need to buff auto rifles

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          • Couldn't get through it all. Too much b*****ing

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            • Edited by A Bothan Spy: 6/10/2015 10:22:05 PM
              All the regularly used exotics just need to be rebalanced that's all. http://planetdestiny.com/thorn-crucible-balance/ this should help

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            • We both lie silently still in the dead of the night Although we both lie close together we feel miles apart inside Was it something I said or something I did? Did my words not come out right? Though I tried not to hurt you Though I tried But I guess that's why they say Every rose has its thorn Just like every night has its dawn Just like every cowboy sings his sad, sad song Every rose has its thorn Yeah it does I listen to our favorite song playing on the radio Hear the DJ say love's a game of easy come and easy go But I wonder does he know? Has he ever felt like this? And I know that you'd be here right now If I could have let you know somehow I guess Every rose has its thorn Just like every night has its dawn Just like every cowboy sings his sad, sad song Every rose has its thorn Though it's been a while now I can still feel so much pain Like a knife that cuts you the wound heals But the scar, that scar remains I know I could have saved a love that night if I'd known what to say Instead of makin' love we both made our separate ways And now I hear you found somebody new And that I never meant that much to you To hear that tears me up inside And to see you cuts me like a knife I guess Every rose has its thorn Just like every night has its dawn Just like every cowboy sings his sad, sad song Every rose has its thorn

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            • Thorn is fine. Auto rifles are not. /thread

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            • Thorn does 120 dmg per shot, and is really good at any range. It has quite a high firerate for a hc. Yeah, buff other weapons so that all HCs 2-shot, how about ARs 3-shot, and pulses 1-burst. Oh yeah, that sounds like CoD with really low TTKs. CoD is bad, because it has very low TTKs, destiny used to have very good TTKs (days of the Galahad-E) but now is stupid.

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              • It should be dropped back to 6 rounds - final round is pointless on a 9 round hand cannon - everything else should remain the same. Personally I don't see this as a nerf as I remember when it was 6 rounds and took a year to reload + the fire rate was as low as it can get so technically it would still be buffed over the original

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                • People need to realize it doesn't matter what game you play there will always be that one gun that out preforms everything and when people want to win they will use that gun. Go ahead nerd thorn because something else (probably last word) will out preform other guns and the cycle will continue. The only way for guns to be balanced is give every gun the same in game stats but then there is no point to chasing guns and you might as well just have one gun in your game only. There is no such thing as balancing weapons. Yeah you can make some guns a little closer to being balanced but as long as guns have different feels and stats people will find the absolute best weapon possible and abuse it like no other. It happens in Battlefield, CoD, Halo, and Destiny. Bottom line is that there will always be the best gun of a game and for destiny PvP it's Thorn. Nerf it and it'll be something else. Remember when it used to be Suros but the nerfed the crap out of it? Yeah well that changed and if you don't think another gun will be the dominant gun then you don't understand FPS games that much

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                  • No, you're too dumb to think through the consequences of "don't nerf, just buff everything else". The end game of such a stupid idea is that you lower and lower and lower the overall TTK in crucible. Right now TTK for all non-auto rifle, non-exotic HC guns is good. Therefore you fix the outliers. You want everything to kill as fast as Thorn? Go back to CoD.

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                    • I think he's got a fair point in some ways.. But I think giving the player a slight boost to health would help your chances of versing the "elite" guns

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                    • That's why they nerf both... If you don't think they're both OP you're crazy. They're both my main two weapons I use and I can man up and admit it. I would love to use my messanger but it will never get Much use while I have these OP handcannons

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                    • Nope. Thorn needs nerf

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                    • Let's ban all weapons and just have melees only, then they will bitch about that too

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