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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Robbie Beast Firstly, to lighten the mood, feel free to watch this video, its a guaranteed laugh and is relevant to the issue at bar. [url]http://gameroom.mlgpro.com/view/awC5cUtgbOc.html[/url] [b]As a side note for all readers, i am not just a random Halo 3 player, I am very skilled and have placed well in both Live MLG tournaments and Online MLG Tournaments and have made almost 3000 dollars on Halo 3. I have a 50 in TS, TD, MLG, and LW. Just to verify that i am good at this game and im not just some kid who's frustrated because their aim sucks and they lose BR fights all the time. Now to the nitty gritty.[/b] The majority of the supporters for the tightening of a BR spread are those of competitive Halo players that feel the spread only hurts competition, and adds a random factor to the mix, I happen to be in this group. "And randomness is a poor substitute for tactics and skillful execution." Quoted by Halo 3's Multiplayer Lead Tyson Green Majority of the supporters for keeping the BR the way it is are those of the general/casual players that prefer if the BR stayed the same for fear that the BR would become all powerful and would ruin the game by making the rest of the weapons useless in a sense. Both sides have valid arguments but i would like to delve a little deeper into this, especially with the information released in Bungie's 6/20/08 update. With the latest update, Bungie further expressed that the BR functions as intended, and that the spread acts the way it does to serve out two reasons. One, realism, making the weapon act in a way that is more realistic as to how bullets travel, and two, to prevent creating a "universal" weapon.. or a weapon that everyone will prefer to use.. thus eliminating the use of other weapons ( spiker, needler, plasma rifle, etc... ). First id like to address the realism issue. I feel that this should not be brought into the decision of how the BR acts simply because there is no point in arguing about realism in a game that takes place in a completely unrealistic world, especially if that could impair ones ability to enjoy the game. The target of a game should not be to make us think its real.. but to allow the player to enjoy themselves, the two often contradict each other in certain cases. I for one was a Socom player while Halo 1 and Halo 2 were out and something very similar happened with this group of games as well. Socom 1 and 2 were thought of as amazing games, the bullets hit where your crosshairs aimed for the most part, and individual skill was huge, but even the most casual player could enjoy playing it by just picking up an f90 and spraying 60 bullets at a guy or grabbing a grenade launcher... but when Socom 3 came out they added a bullet spread to almost every weapon, trying to increase the realism and in the process almost completely ruined the franchise in a competitive sense (I took part in the gamebattles ladder for this game for multiple years and was considered Top 10 best Leaders/Gunners/Snipers towards the end so believe me when i say this). The only thing that was really fun and took skill to do anymore was quick sniping and jump sniping, which they eventually patched about 2 years after the games release due to the fact that jumping and sniping wasn't realistic. GTA 4 is another prime example, its filled with things that make the game realistic but it also makes sure to keep the player entertained. I mean, you cant go around running people over whenever you want in real life, and you cant just drive 5 blocks and suddenly the cops no longer chase you. You also would be dead if you got shot 6 times.. But come on lets face it, GTA would suck if that was the case. Secondly, "there is no designed one-weapon-to-rule-them-all in Halo 3 and that is a decision made by design to encourage all of the aspects of the sandbox to be used in gameplay. The bullet variation in the Battle Rifle’s three-round bursts is a design choice that further defines the weapon's role in the Halo 3 sandbox." i feel this idea is slightly flawed. If we take a look at a game like Rainbow Six Vegas, it has a massive amount of weapons a player can choose, but the universal weapon for almost all competitive players is the FAMAS, it is an extremely accurate weapon if used right, but that does not stop many of the casual players from using other weapons. In most matchmaking games i play in Halo 3 the majority of players will prefer vetoing for BR starts, and in AR start games most players will pick up a Carbine/BR if given the chance. I very rarely see a person dual wielding, let alone using the spiker/plasma rifle/smg simply for the fact that the AR serves as the best close range weapon in most cases... but this doesn't stop those select few that prefer to dual wield or use those weapons, and i don't see how making the BR spread tighten would reduce the amount of usage of these other weapons. It is said that the distance between a person affects the BR spread, well i often hit a person every time close up with the BR with every bullet registering and i still lose the fight because the AR/Melee combo just kills faster. Even if the BR spread were tightened i would still switch to my AR when a close up fight is going to emerge. And finally, i read the Math Class section in the latest update, and though some of it was hard to understand, it was easy for me to retain this statement "The Chief’s helmet is approximately 0.094 world units wide, [b]so if the shields pop, that bullet – aimed and fired accurately – under reasonable network conditions yields a kill.[/b]" I for one could show multiple examples of a player taking 1, 2, 3, even 4 extra well placed bursts to the head when they are down sheilds on a green bar host, and I'm sure many other players could as well, especially with the addition of the Team Swat playlist. All I'm saying Bungie is that although your intentions for the BR are good.. the reality is your causing frustration to a lot of people (Mostly those of the competitive community) and i feel a middle ground for all players could be reached. Im not saying make the BR a hitscan weapon or making it super uber godly and 4 shot people cross map, I'm just saying that the spread needs to be tightened so when in mid/close range BR fights the more consistent aim wins every time. So why not try it in your next update... i think the response towards a tightened spread would be unanimous but then again i cant speak for everyone.. I'm just voicing my opinion. Also, people stop saying that Halo 3 level means nothing, instead say, Halo 3 level doesn’t mean everything. Thanks for reading.[/quote] This is one of the few well thought-out and eloquently presented arguments for a tightened BR spread that I've seen. I'm glad that for once someone didn't assume that he spoke for EVERYONE. Honestly, I'm happy with the BR as is. Since it performs the same way for everyone, that realistic randomization of the bullet spread doesn't bother me too much. I will say that I've been extremely frustrated by missing headshots that I thought should have landed... but that seems to happen to everyone, so I could probably live with it. On the flipside of that coin, I don't think slightly tightening the BR spread would really hurt anything. Nothing drastic... just a little so that maybe 20-30% of those shots that, with the BR as it is now, would miss the head because of the randomization would, after the tightening, give a hit. It would still be randomized and fairly realistic in my opinion; the BR wouldn't become a God-weapon, and competitive players would have a more precise weapon--perhaps not as precise as they'd like, but beggars can't be choosers. I believe there's a middleground that could be reached. However, it's Bungie's call, and I don't really care that much one way or the other. So there's my 2 cents on the BR argument.

i believe we found another canidate for the Bungie vs whiny kids humpday challenge. what do you say whitewolf556? you game? or are you busy with the hooked on phonics book?

So should i suck bungies -blam!- some more and just shovel my money over to them some more?? Yeah anybody!?!? High five!

Have you ever seen the king of kong? You guys are like the people that call billy maze at his house updateing him about the score situation. Loyal bungie fanatics.. "hey guys theres a kill screen coming up wanna see?" hahaha.

Well i am not gonna lie bungie has kinda dropped the ball. I have been playing halo 2 and 3 for awhile. shooting forever then getting punched to death is a -blam!-. anyways the money pit that is halo 3 will always be loved but for me unreal tournament and gears of war are actually taking chances and making better games.. I stoped playing halo 3 so much and started playing COD4 and cant wait for unreal. Sorry errogance will never pay off and belittleing someone who has an oppinion agianst your game, which i think is right, is wrong. Even though he flew off the handle about something stupid... Yeash bungie you were cool when i was 16 but then i turned 21 and relized it took you 4 years to remake a clasic game that needed no tweaking... Sorry but you have also lost my suport. So i guess life is a -blam!- and you will listen to people -blam!- and then be -blam!-y back and relize that your really screaming "hey there girls!!! I'm a -blam!-!"

Ok i know this thread is old and most people wont be reading it anymore, but i was looking through to see if there was any useful tips or comments and i happened across this one. So, naturally i wanted to see how good this player was considering they were and probably still are trashing the skill of bungie employees (on DavidRE69's profile it says bungie sucks at their own game). I looked at his stats and found myself looking at the stats of a player who may not be the greatest player to grace Halo 3. If you want to chuckle the way i did please take a look at his stats. I think he has confused his lack of skill with "faulty" game mechanics. I also got an idea. How about a hump day challenge where bungie plays this guy and a few other whiners with similar unfounded complaints. I would enjoy screenshots of recon armored spartans t-bagging DavidRE69 with a photoshopped tear coming from his visor. Just a thought. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DavidRE69 lukems and shishka are losers........ you broke the BR, i hate bungie. come out with an update that fixes it and i wont hate you as much. an all dominate weapon cant really exist, all weapons are different and they all do different things but the halo 2 BR was a good balance weather you liked it or not. it had to be in skillful hands to be as dominate as you claim, and if everyone in the game has a good BR then the game is once again balanced. of coarse when there is a nub like lukems playing, then of coarse they will die many times. but that would be the case in any scenario. that is the same principle behind a good team swat game. everyone is given a one hit kill weapon that has a reasonably high rate of fire but (in a good team swat game) there is no one dominate person because everyone is balanced. the halo 2 BR with its ability to 4-5 shot across map forced players to play smart and not run out into the open. making the halo 3 BR less accurate and have a shorter range allows people as bad as bungie employees to run around without fear of death because they broke the most awesome gun in the game. thus, halo 3 will require no skill and you can all go back to running around shooting the -blam!-est gun in the game, the assault rifle.[/quote]

boohoohoo so luke spoke his mind, it a free country. there are no restrictions saying that he can't do something like that, and that kid can get over. maybe if he didn't send the message in the first place none of this would have happen. and don't you think that people at bungie would have known what he was doing and if they really cared they would have said something [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] blindingtears [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x DI Chaotic x Wow Lukems, you are the nastiest person I've ever met in my entire life. You have no right to single someone out and you don't deserve your job. You should be ashamed at your actions, Frankie would've never done anything like this. You are a poor excuse for a human being. Good day sir.[/quote] Agree completely. It is extremely unprofessional to single somebody, and not only that, but take what he said completely out of context. Frankie would have never done anything like this, and you are a sad excuse for a replacement.[/quote] [Edited on 07.06.2008 5:32 AM PDT]

but im kinda missing the point so like what dos it mean oh and im FIRE201

cold storage looks to be another mind blowing map...By the way the "wonder triplets" had no chance. Keep up the great work

Can i has this map

http://gameroom.mlgpro.com/view/pFtsSuwjNUo.html?video_page=2 Call the Waaaaaaaaaahmbulance. LUKEUMS CAN GO -blam!- HIMSELF. [Edited on 06.30.2008 3:28 PM PDT]

I still don't understand why Bungie made H3 the way it did, but it's their game, at least it puts me to sleep, why couldn't you just beg M$ for more time and end it with H2? If anyone ever sees this, i'm curious to see if Bungie can tell how many new fans they received from Halo 3 vs. Halo 2 fans, and measure the gap between people who played Halo 2, but stopped after trying Halo 3.

Can people not have fun anymore and maybe just play the game they have, and not complain about stuff that can't and won't be changed. I find the BR in Halo 3 good for Halo 3. I find the BR in Halo 2 good for Halo 2. If the BR was changed, everything in the game would be changed along with it.

This is going to be an awesome map can't wait till it comes out, but i'd like to see more Halo1 & 2 maps be remade and revamped like Hang'em High, Relic, etc. I say just redo all the old maps, sure it would take a while but it would be freakin amazing to have all of the Halo multiplayer maps on Halo 3. What i'm tryin to get at is that Bungie is doing an amazing job keeping all of us hardcore Halo fans at bay with new stuff to play with and enjoy. Because everyone knows that people now a days are getting 360's or XBOX Live just to play Halo. So lets see some new remakes and maps to keep this video game phenomenon going strong. And just to put this out there, but if you guys liked the Halo 2 map Foundation and you are dying to play it I've made a remake of my own on Foundry, it's amazing. So if you want to check it out go to my file share, my GT is UrBAnCHAos91

I Thought I heard a rumor that there going to be new maps!!!!!

MORE PICTURES NOW J/K good update

Thanks guy, for clearing it up from the hunter's aspect. I don't hunt, so I wouldn't have figured that out on my own. I appreciate it. I'll retract that statement from above now. I do believe that 500ish years in the future, we would make some advancements. Could you imagine hunting deer with the halo BR? Lol

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TS Legaia [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MadroKurgan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Acti0nJacks0n3 Even in real life, at what point do you have to lead rifle shots? And that's in the present, not the year 2600 or whatever it is in Halo.[/quote] While i agree that the BR spread needs to be fixed, your statement above is incorrect. In "real life" you do have to lead your rifle shots at anything over 50 yrds that is running. I'm an avid hunter, and there is no question about it. If i were to aim and fire at a large game animal where i'm supposed to hit it for a clean shot, i'd end up hitting it in the butt. I have to lead half the animals length in front, in order to hit it in the heart. [/quote] Agree 1 yes you're right over 50 yards!!! 2 Yes when running 3 yes both of these happen in this time with your rifle Against 1 Often the bullet spreed is under 50 yards, far under. 2. running animal, not a slow moving animal. 3 A military rifle in the year 2600 is worse than your rifle 2008.[/quote] True. But it is more like 25yrds, if the animal is running. And you are right, the MC's speed is no where near the running speed of a large animal. I actually loved having to lead my shots in Halo 1, with the pistol. The biggest problem i see with the BR is the 3 round burst, and to top it off the spread. This combined with the netcode equals a lot of bullets that never reach their target... phantom bullets.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MadroKurgan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Acti0nJacks0n3 Even in real life, at what point do you have to lead rifle shots? And that's in the present, not the year 2600 or whatever it is in Halo.[/quote] While i agree that the BR spread needs to be fixed, your statement above is incorrect. In "real life" you do have to lead your rifle shots at anything over 50 yrds that is running. I'm an avid hunter, and there is no question about it. If i were to aim and fire at a large game animal where i'm supposed to hit it for a clean shot, i'd end up hitting it in the butt. I have to lead half the animals length in front, in order to hit it in the heart. [/quote] Agree 1 yes you're right over 50 yards!!! 2 Yes when running 3 yes both of these happen in this time with your rifle Against 1 Often the bullet spreed is under 50 yards, far under. 2. running animal, not a slow moving animal. 3 A military rifle in the year 2600 is worse than your rifle 2008.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Acti0nJacks0n3 Even in real life, at what point do you have to lead rifle shots? And that's in the present, not the year 2600 or whatever it is in Halo.[/quote] While i agree that the BR spread needs to be fixed, your statement above is incorrect. In "real life" you do have to lead your rifle shots at anything over 50 yrds that is running. I'm an avid hunter, and there is no question about it. If i were to aim and fire at a large game animal where i'm supposed to hit it for a clean shot, i'd end up hitting it in the butt. I have to lead half the animals length in front, in order to hit it in the heart.

When are even more new maps gonna be reealed?

When bungie changes stuff it goes wrong and people were almost never happy. They change exactly the wrong things. We complained about. few examples H2: Auto-aim, Bulletmagnetism, melee, buttoncombo's, vehicle-body damage, slow spartans and elites. They changed: Buttoncombo's and melee is still f'd up. Thank you bungie you rule

Ok so this post will be my first, and most likely last, since lukems and the rest of bungie are little girls and will ban me/delete my post. so i'll get right to it. i dont understand why the BR isn't hitscan. Even in real life, at what point do you have to lead rifle shots? And that's in the present, not the year 2600 or whatever it is in Halo. I'm sure there'd be some advancements that would make these bullets travel faster and more accurately. The new, "broken" BR is more noob-friendly, which is perfect for guys like those that work at Bungie. It seems impossible to me that people that MADE the game aren't even good at it. The idea that the BR's spread is more "realistic" is one of the dumbest I've ever heard. Bullets from a high-powered, futuristic weapon shouldn't just DISAPPEAR. Nor should they have any delay between when they leave the gun and when they connect with their target. The more important issue at hand is the incredible immaturity that Bungie has been showing lately. I mean, if you're making so much money at a huge company, why are you taking the time to find people (ie, dan91bauer) and singling them out on your "wahmbulance" section? It seems like your time could be better spent doing something worthwhile, like say, removing power drainers from SWAT. Or actually fixing your spastic BR. So, Lukems and the rest of Bungie, as soon as you grow up and fix your game, let me know.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] fishrock360 Oh come on chill out was my least favorite map in halo ce[/quote] Are you kidding me?? What about Chiron??? Or Boarding Action?!?! There are lots of maps that would have been worse remakes than chill out.

Will cold storage be playable for the public like downloadible o something plz tell because i looks sweet. p.s i cant spell downloadible lol