I feel like I have to defend the position that Titans need a buff in PvP too much, but its mostly cause 99% of the forum base plays Hunter/Warlock and could give two sh*ts about the class. More then half the time they have zero idea about the class or the say " I got a Titan" and its lvl10 or theyve played PvP with it twice. NOTHING is gonna be done about the Titan class cause not enough people play it and care enough. We arent space magic Warlocks or the run of the mill 12yr old boy Sniper wet dream class. One hit melee...ah yes the Shoulder Charge! Hey, any other class, you have the same ability!..its called..running with a shotgun! Its fun, but in the grand scheme of things its more a novelty. Its FAR more effective to just sprint with a shotgun. No pesky initiation time, no limited time to use it, no animation.. If your getting smashed by a Shoulder Charge then the same outcome would have happened if that player has a shotgun. Things I would trade Shoulder Charge for.. 1. Warlock Melee Range 2. Warlock Melee Oversheild 3. Warlock/Hunter Blink 4. Warlock Blink/Melee Shotgun combo 5. Hunter Blink/Shotun Combo 6. Warlock Melee Energy Drain 7. Hunter Melee Speed 8. Hunter OHK backstab 9. Melee DoT's And nades! Yes we have one good one! The Shock Stick is amazing!...but thats really it. The Magnet grenade..yeah, gimme Fusion nade..better yet why not Trip Mine, cause that sh*t isnt a Mine at all! Trip Mine = Call of Duty C4 tossing I will admit tho, Shock Stick is beast tho, which kind of screws defender class. And its nice to have at least one good nade since, as always, Bungie gave Warlocks mutiple types of nades to decide from.."Hmmm spam GIANT DoT's everywhere?..OHK Fusion toss?..Heatseekers to find my opponents or kill the ones I barely did damage too?.." And Fist of Havok...also know as "Nova Bomb that you have to risk your neck to use" Ive seen Warlocks float by doorways, past a window, 50ft away, 1ft away etc.. launch a Nova Bomb and destroy everyone, and the AoE effect..GOOD LUCK! try escaping a NB.. Using a FoH means risking your neck quite alot. I have been shot out of the air NUMEROUS times. Just last night I got Blade Dancered out of the air lol And its so telegraphed, unless your in a small area people are smart enough to see a Titan and just move back. Yes its cool, yes it kills, yes its effective.. But...once again, like Shoulder Charge, it is trumped by another class..the Nova Bomb (also known as thr safer, better, FoH) That sums those things up but if you look at all the skills compared to others what else do you see? Quite a few "could happens" "might happen" While other class have "Use this skill, this happens" Titan skills are almost all "sometimes something might happen!" The biggest misconception eveyone and their dog seems to be wrong about.. "Titans have more health/armor!" No...no..you idiots, STOP thinking this! We get ZERO perks from codex that help to be honest. So while the Warlock has a massive Recovery boost that applies or the Hunter has insane speed and agility our armor stat is worthless! Dont expect changes, Bungie even screwed us in our final jump (catapault) While everyone us is blinking and OHK or evading we have "small or big jump for them to play duck hunt against us" Right about now a Titan will enter the thread or reply.. He will say "I top leaderboards!" "Look at my K/D!" Yes, yes, I get it! But what you did, what all us Titans do who maintain a 1.0+ K/D is just play a very very effective form of FPS.. We work with what little we have in compared to other classes and instead have to rely on trickery, situational awareness and gun skills. We somt have the luxury of magic or speed, numerous nades to use, DoT's or constant Oversheilds. A Titan is his Gun, his Shock Stick, and his FoH at optimal times.. (sorry defender Titans, I smash bubbles ALL the time for Muti-kills and wouldnt touch that subclass with a 10 foots pole. Guns replensihes Nades, Double Nade Chest, Nades Replenish Special = FoH about 5 times a match!)