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Edited by I_x_ELuSivE_x_I:
3/22/2015 11:45:13 AM
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What's with the high rof / low impact fetish ??
Got excited when I saw Iron Banner had an auto rifle on display since I'm an ar aficionado, but sure enough its yet again a high rof ar like all available in the tower. Bungie, how about making available something more in the line of Shadow Price or Vanquisher ?
Edit - following advice from some fellow Guardians, I've bought the "For the People" and I'm leveling it up until I unlock the perfect stability perk at which point I'll take it for a spin in the Crucible. Also, please note that the gist of this post is not to bash high rof/low impact weapons (one of my all time favorites is the Shingen-E), my point is that it seems that with this DLC every offer from everywhere is of that archetype when it comes to AR - that's what I think is not cool.
Edit2:
Okay, since this thread got some attention, I'll use it to convey my 2c. on this new stream of high rof rifles. I leveled For The People up until the perfect stability perk then took it for a ride in the regular crucible. In short, it sucks. Yes I can get kills with it (on this particular game I ended with a 3.0 k/d), but it was an easy match and I was struggling to land all shots in the head and then still going like... he's almost down, almost.. almost... just a couple more.... and... some more.... and down. If the other side were to be using Suros or the Vex, I'd be meat half-way. Not only does the gun take forever to take down a player, but the scopes are bad for a gun that basically has the stability maxed out. My good old 1.0 Vanquisher has the DOT-ORS scope which is basically a small yellow dot in the center with nothing around it. I can easily follow a player's head with it close or far no matter how much strafing he tries. Imho, the old Vanq. is way, way, more powerful than at least this For The People new rifle. Now, for pve, and when its fully leveled with max attack, I can see this rifle being seriously fun with the 56 rounds in the clip, but for pvp.. not for me.
And another thing.. players coming in, if this is what they have to chose going in against seasoned players using Vex,Suros,Shadow Price,Grim,Vanq.... I can see a lot of incoming tears.
[b]To the guys still bumping/replying to this thread, this was posted shortly after TDB came out and the Iron Banner came up, so its bit oldie. Still, it is an interesting piece in the context of the 1.1.1 that fked up the autos for good. Seems to me that with the TDB and the wave of pea shooters that came with it together with the removal of Grim Citizen and Shadow Price from the inventory, Bungie was indeed already trying to push auto rifles into the corner of SMGs. Well, it failed of course and no one uses them now. Reason is simple - at the range a spray-and-pray SMG could make any sense you'd be slaughtered by hand canons and shotguns. So, Bungie, go back to the drawing board and make the assault rifle a mid-range general purpose weapon.
And remember: DPS is not TTK.[/b]
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First off DPS & RANGE plays the biggest factors in the crucible, I have a Silimars Wrath with Counter balance, Hammer Forge and Range Finder, it absolutely destroys in the crucible, I have a Doctor Nope with Outlaw, Perfect balance and Life Support ( oddly it's a good perk for this type of gun), and it wrecks people with Thorn, all you have to do is head to body, head shots take off the over shield and body knock off the health faster than you think!
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4 RepliesEdited by Sergeant: 4/24/2015 5:32:13 AMWhen destiny first came out HRoF auto rifles were balanced. Monte Carlo, Hard Light and Doctor Nope even Nechrochasm would of been balanced but Auto Rifles like Suros Regime, Shadow Price and Vanquisher VIII ruined it for all Auto Rifles. I honestly can blame them for the nerfs cause i never heard anyone say " Man that Monte Carlo is overpowered." i have only heard things about the high impact low LRoF auto rifles. I watched it happen before me... In PvE and in Crucible...
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2 RepliesI know this is old, but good news! It seemed from the twitch stream that they've got a lot more low rate, higher impact ones back into vendors inventories
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Shadow Price!
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2 RepliesDoes everyone forget the grim citizen
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When you try the nechrochasm: "not sure if atheons epilogue, or rarest gun in the game"
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high rof and low impact = trash just do not use them. you miss way to many shots.
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1 Replythe nerfed auto rifles bc of the suros. now i used it but every auto rifle was affected bc of one gun
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As a personal preference I like the slower Rate of Fire/high Impact auto rifles. They felt more controlled and I liked how they had decent range. I used my Shadow Price as a full auto scout rifle. After so many shots to an advancing armored enemy he would stumble and that would allow me to get more range on them and repeat the process until they died. I understand that the auto rifle was too versatile but to reduce the effective range to around a shot guns and reduce the damage? Where does that make sense. Auto rifles were fun and so I use them. I want one weapon that I can use effectively against enemies. I don't want to be relaying on my secondary weapon's as they have lower amount of ammunition when compared to the primaries. They need to increase the damage and critical hit increase to make the auto rifle an effective weapon again.
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2 RepliesEdited by Photonic Origin : 4/13/2015 2:16:42 PMNever really liked ARs in PvP [Scout/Pulse/HC guy] but Monte Carlo is so much fun to use! And SUROS Regime feels sort of like a Scout Rifle! [spoiler]If you're wondering why I don't like ARs, it's because I find the precision multiplier to be too low :/[/spoiler]
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Edited by SubnoizeSpartan: 3/20/2015 8:05:02 PMAll high ROF no Impact guns are TRASH! Always have been,since the game launch
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1 ReplyEdited by Sergeant: 3/5/2015 6:01:40 PMHigh RoF auto rifles need a slight buff in my honest opinion.
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7 RepliesThere is "up for anything" auto rifle and it has third eye way better than shadowprice (I have both)
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The auto rifles with higher impact and lower rate of fire were way too good. They are doing everything they can to limit auto use
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2 RepliesAll to do with crucible bro.i don't play crucible anymore but the Suros was amazing and there afraid to put guns like that in because of the nerf herd
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Because the other version is OP
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9 RepliesActually the iron banner ar is super good screw impact if the rof and stability are amazing
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8 RepliesYou can thank all the posts about auto rifles being OP. The low ROF higher impact auto rifles are what people cried about. I dare you to find one post about Hardlight, atheons epilogue, or any high rof auto rifle being OP, you cant. So congrats whiners. You got only 1 kind of auto to choose from now, with the exception of suros and the new monarchy auto (new monarchy's auto has garbage range though).
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1 ReplyEdited by Dr_Jbz: 12/19/2014 10:08:23 AMI agree, we need variety. At the moment it feels like we're being bottlenecked to go down the high ROF Road. I still use my old shadow price, even for Crotas end and it works really well, so I won't be buying any of these crappy new ARs. Also, the nechrocasm seems to follow the same pattern, not really looking forward to that.
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I got the "up for anything" from an engram with bonus damage and stability perks. Its not awful but its no shadow price
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3 RepliesI'm actually thinking about grinding New Monarchy for the Vanquisher VII. I would go straight for the Dead Orbit auto rifle, but, it is another low impact/high rof firearm. I already have Dr. Nope. I don't need another.
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My FTP on my hunter is OP. Was pissed they switched the perks on all the faction weapons...
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21 RepliesI agree, but I do think that all auto rifles should follow that archetype. Along with bad range and lower stability. Give the scout rifle and pulse rifle their niches back.
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2 RepliesNews flash- if you want something like the vanquisher, BUY THE VANQUISHER
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1 ReplyMo' bullets, mo' betta, that's what I always say.
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1 ReplyI think that all IB items are not worth getting any rank for. Spend the whole week to maybe get to rank 5 for an AR that is 50/50 depending on what you like to play.
