Are you joking? Bladedancers are already easy enough to kill. Removing their defense boost will not only make them useless in Crucible but it will also destroy any hopes they ever had at becoming good in PvE. It is stupidly easy enough to kill bladedancers as it is, all it takes me is a well placed fusion/magnet grenade and several shots of a good weapon. I have even killed Bladedancers with nothing more than a few Invective shots followed by a melee. Not to mention the damage done by a good burst of a fusion rifle. Supers are meant to be good, and the Bladedancer is terrible anywhere other than Crucible. Let it be.

I dont approve of blade dancers but if they nerf something, they should nerf health of both warlock and titan health during super. My gold gun has to two shot both to kill mid super and chances are you dont have enough time to fire off the second. Meanwhile I explode into magic dust when I super and get hit with either of the other class supers. But really doe, they should just leave everything the way it is.

Really? Nerf BladeDancer? Now I've heard it all. Titans become so powerful during Fist of Havoc, and when they have the bubbles with the shield upgrade on a flag, they can't be killed. And you're trying to nerf this? Da hell's wrong with you?

the more and more people want something nerfed because of the crucible, the more and more people will leave because they dont want that. leave it as it is. it can prove to be a life saver in PvE.

I am a Titan, when I find a hunter in the game like to use blade master to kill, I always kept my L1+R1 for them and I can not get killed while they are. So I can imagine how frustrate they are behind their TV and that is my best fun in the game.

Learn to play

I used to complain about bladedancers. Then I made a bladedancer. [spoiler]Then I realized gunslinger is awesome.[/spoiler]

Right let's settle this every super needs removed there too OP and do you know what so are grenades so we'll remove them too. Hand cannons, auto rifles, scout rifles, shotguns... No actually every gun needs to be taken out they are too good at killing but even if you took all of these things out the game is too unbalanced because hunters will run faster so let's remove movement. Everyone's Happy

STFU. That is all.

How about we remove them being able to not jump but still follow me as a titan as I fly up?

I can play all three classes and get a good score for them, even with my low level warlock. Maybe you need to look at your own performance before coming after those of us who are good at what we do

The problem is that it is spammed and gives the idea of lacking a learning/skill curve. No one who uses it looks intelligent whilst doing so. They look like they are panic spamming it, which is true for a good portion of the time. Limit the amount of strikes, like say 5. It would still allow for plenty of kills but demand more intelligent use.

If anything the what, 90% damage reduction while using Fist of Havoc needs a nerf? Everything else in my opinion is pretty balanced.

How about folks be mindful of the Hunters who don't waste time in the Crucible, and ponder how such a change would affect them in the field fighting against the Darkness? I can understand why there's a kind of Cold War between PvE and PVP players.

Everything is balanced. Especially supers. I'm a hunter imo gunslinger is more OP. The trip mine with 3/4 one hit kills from long distance is crazy. You obviously have zero kill with a fusion/shotgun or are completely oblivious to your tracker.

If you aim for the head they still go down quick enough. Improving your gaming, rather than complaining.

Half the bladedancers I see die before getting more than a couple kills. Get good or quit complaining about the 1 time you die in a game due to a bladedancer when it could have easily been any other super. inb4: you play a huntard though! Yes, but I gunsling and prefer to crucible with warlock anyway. P.S. You have a primary, secondary, heavy, and abilities, why wouldn't it be 15-25% of all kills. If you have less than that on your classes, you either have been using your super as a panic button or roll only void titan. My warlock also has roughly 25% super kills, guess that needs a nerf too.

Keep it as it is. 30 warlock...

I would say keep everything same except mayve limited amount of hits so you cant fly around the map like a bird on xtc

Yea, right after titan loses his portable shield and warlocks can no longer self res.

I'm a titan and I say no. It's not hard to counter a super with another super.

Well the vote didn't go nowhere how you intended did it? Lmao Just so you know, I'm not a hunter. I main as a titan and second as a warlock

blade dancer is a pretty weak class, is near useless in tougher missions and the raid (except for the invisibility). yeah it can get a few kills in crucible, but so can nova bomb and foh... get over it.

Got every class to at 28, blade dancer is in no way op and does not need the increased health. If you removed that increased resistance then there would be absolutely no point in using the super. Go run around the crucible trying to knife somebody once (as if it was the super) and see how far you get. When you use it everybody knows you are coming and will nuke you down before you can even get close to them. You want to hate on hunters lets go through some of the "OP" points of the other supers Titans - FoH makes the titan near invincible whilst using it and unless their aim is off, their opponent(s) will be dead. A disadvantage to the super is you have to get relatively close before you activate it and so can die before you get in range. Also want to add a 1 hit shoulder charge in this. Bubble can increase their damage, give them extra health or make them pretty hard to take down whilst inside the bubble and always immune to weapon damage whilst inside. Downside to this any super (except I think sunsinger) can destroy the bubble and the people inside of it, plus you can be quite easily picked off the second you leave the bubble. Warlocks - Nova bomb gives warlocks a slight bit of resistance which can save their life in it. It can split into 3 to cover a large area, travel with accuracy across a large distance or create a vortex which if you walk through will nearly always kill you. So it's a super with 2 parts, instant nuke and control. Drawback to this is again it's quite easy to be taken out by someone whilst getting into correct position and range, plus it can be dodged if the person sees it coming (much easier with blink) Sunsinger warlocks get reduced damage, can self res or reduce cds for all team members. The reduced damage is quite a lot, 1 if it goes down to a gun battle between the warlock and someone else the warlock will pretty much always win if their aim is decent. It would require a lot of fire power to take them down. Self res can completely turn things around, dying close to the enemy then striking when their guard is down tossing grenades everywhere, whilst taking reduced damage or with the CD reduction allow multiple people to spam grenades. I personally cannot think of the top of my head of any drawbacks there except that there is no instant "nuke". Another thing to note about them is their flame melee will 1 hit someone. Hunters - Golden gun when used correctly can quite easily get you 3 or 4 kills which in crucible is half the team or in rumble (I think is 3vs maybe clash) is the whole team. Pretty damn good. The increased range/accuracy/exploding shots/over penetrating shots really makes the golden gun quite a powerful super. However this super has quite clear drawbacks. It's not that easy to use in close quarters when the opponent is right on top of you, running up stairs right next to you, running around a corner etc and of course it's biggest drawback that it has no resistance at all built into it. The only super not to have any. Bladedancers can take out theoretically the whole team in crucible. However this requires the right situation (enemy team to be all together,(in which case they'll probably kill the bladedancer), or for them not to be able to see you coming) It's a one hit melee which may seem a bit op to some....but of course titans and warlocks both have a 1 hit melee non super (not 100% sure if the locks is without radiance) and if it did require 2 blades to kill it wouldn't really be a super and would more likely get you killed. They can be a bit tanky but are still quite easily taken down by a small group or 1 person with a high impact primary/special/heavy. They have to activate it around the corner as doing so in open space will get you kill just in the activation animation. By doing that you will still be heard activating it and the opponent will either draw their shotgun/fusion/heavy or back away if they have nothing suitable to use. Plus the super is melee and requires you to run at your opponent, not the most surprising of the supers. Don't forget as well, this game is primarily aimed at PvE content. As most PvE content has lightswitch/elemental modifiers + high normal melee damage the bladedancer will be 1 or 2 hit by anything in PvE unless played extremely carefully. Even with their increased resistance they still die quickly in PvE and PvP. Changing supers because they are "OP" in PvP will more than likely screw them up for PvE. Instead of asking for nerfs to this and that how about asking for new game modes. One without supers/grenades. One without heavy or special ammo. Perhaps each week it changes and gives a set weapon set to use (everyone has to use the same type of primary/heavy/special).