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Edited by Kangamangas:
11/22/2014 9:14:55 AM
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Are Hunters useless in Hard Raid?
So I tried my first hard raid today with a group of friends that are solid players, but we didn't even get past Templars and after a while people had to leave because it was getting late so we put it off until tomorrow
During the raid I noticed how useless my Hunter abilities that I usually use so well during any other type of gameplay such as cloak.
I found myself never using my blade dancer because I wouldn't want to get that close to the enemy because I knew I would get wrecked. So besides just killing vex with my weapons and surviving I felt relatively useless compared to a Defender Titan or other player types.
We'll be doing the raid tomorrow again and I would like to know what my fellow Hunters use to their advantage during the hard raid.
Thank you.
[Edit] : Thanks to everyone who gave advice about what I should do!
It really helps.
I'd also like to say that I never meant to use the word useless in its literal meaning I love my hunter and it's really all I use I just wanted some advice.
I'll definitely be switching to gun slinger and will work on maxing guns I know those are big issues.
Other than that thanks to everyone who commented (:
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Edited by CavScout00: 11/24/2014 6:29:47 PMGolden gun..... I have 2 lvl 30 hunters. Im always top 3 in # of kills generally 1 or 2. Just depends on what roles i take during the raid. Ive found that in the hard raid you need a balance of the 3 to be successful. Only reason people hate on hunters is Warlocks cheese bosses and resurrect. Seriously if they didnt have that feature i wouldnt raid with to many warlocks. See them die alot and depend on that perk to much. Titans have weapons of light. Can drop atheon quick with a good team.
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We have this running joke in our group that hunters are useless. I dislike hunters first and foremost, I used it in the beta. They seem to be the most squishy. However imo no class is essentially useless. Sure some have better suited abilities but if someone is good at the buttons it shouldn't matter what class. I don't think blaming a class is right. Blame the crap player using the class.
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There's a perk on the golden gun 'perk tree' that explodes enemies and causes splash damage to others nearby. Good for the groups of goblins and fanatics you come across! Also I wear Alpha Lupi while i'm in there - get 5-6 orbs per major/ultra that you kill which is great for the team.
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Bladedancer is useless, gunslinger is good for clearing out supplicants and minotaurs.
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5 RepliesAn arc blade always is helpfull in the confluxes as it wipes out hoards of enemies
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1 ReplyTwo words for you: Full agility
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3 RepliesBlade Dancer is useless in the VoG, particularly in hard mode.
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2 RepliesThis will answer your question. Two manning a hard mode raid, and the guy who tanks through it is a hunter, aka THE LEGEND HIMSELF
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Edited by A Torpedo Fart: 11/24/2014 6:10:57 PMhunter's can't "cheese" the templar like warlocks or titans (solar grenades, etc) to push him off the rest of the raid is fine.... as a hunter i use atheons epilogue/ice breaker/hezen vengeance and my handy golden gun with 4 shots. haven't found a team but have played the raid with a hunter/warlock the reason why hunters "sit in the corner and cleanse" (during templar) is because that's cheating, lol. the raid was meant to shoot the templar with the relic to take his shield off so everyone can shoot him, everyone pushes him off with abilities the hunter doesn't have. That's all it is, really....
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The only useless characters are those controlled by people who think specific classes are useless.
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2 RepliesAs a Hunter, there are many perks that we have in raids. 1. We can take down Supplecants and Oracles. A golden gun can take out a wave of supplecants if you are getting ambushed, and oracles are rendered weak to the golden gun. 2. Invisibility on Bladedancer. Us hunters can crouch down, use shadowjack for extended invisibility, and get through the Gorgon maze. Invisibility is also good to get away from hordes of enemies. 3. Skip those goddamned rocks! Bladedancers can bladedance across the whole chasm and gloat about being the first one to get down to Atheons gate with grace.
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Blade Dancer is clutch in the right situation... I.E. Confluxes. My guide to Hunters as a user of all 3 characters: Entrance: Gunslinger Confluxes: Blade Dancer - Heath Regen is awesome Oracles: Gunslinger - Too easy Templar: Hold Relic & Use Blade Dancer blink Gatekeeper: Gunslinger Atheon: Gunslinger
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Edited by Flyinpenguin117: 11/24/2014 3:18:26 PMBladedancers can possible hold down a conflux if there are no nearby Fanatics (and can skip the Labyrinth, but if anyone else gets caught it doesn't matter), but Gunslinger is by far the better class. But the majority of how well a Raider does comes down to their skill level and weapon quality, not their class.
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Did hardmode with 5 hunters and a titan.....a couple weeks after the raid released its not hard you just can't be stupid because unlike the other classes we don't have the luxury of making errors
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I have a Warlock and I lvled my hunter second and my favorite is the hunter never heard of anyone complain about me being a hunter and never ran into a problem where I felt the hunter was useless or needed to switch.
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5 Repliesto be entirely honest, Hunters do not contribute AS MUCH as the other 2 classes with regards to TEAM efforts. HOWEVER, there are lots of things a well controlled hunter can do in raids. I am a level 30 hunter and I have saved the group a couple of times during hard raid. for example, while fighting atheon, my team could not get the oracles down in time. all hunters need to do is run in ans golden gun the oracles. takes them down fast. all classes in the right hands do extremely well. some people argue that warlocks revive is extremely useful, yes it is to human error. but if you're a truly professional player, self revive is not needed in most cases for titans huters or warlorcks. Each class does amazing things, but it's just how players choose to rate them and how they weigh is more important. it's highly dependent on the team! hunters aren't useless, it's how you play it! (and also what kick ass gear you have. I rather have a 29 hunter with upgraded ghorns and icebreakers over a 30 without them)
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I play as all the characters. The hunters are at a disadvantage because they lack a panic/safety skill. Titan defenders can pop a blessing of light bubble if near dead and sun singer warlocks have self res. The hunter gun slinger is good for sniping when at the oracles though with gun slinger trance. Imo also the best at taking out ads too. I do feel the titans overall have the easiest time raiding though if the team works well together. I think being a sun singer warlock with self res is the most forgiving and a great choice for players just learning the raid or are casual gamers.
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The hunter really isn't useless. The golden gun really helps clearing the ads on the gatekeeper checkpoint. It also creates around 8 to 12 orbs to help your team mates get there super, but that only if u hit 2 to 3 of the enemy majors. the hunter grenades like the tripwire and lighting on really help clear the annoying supplicants. Also a theory I had while writing this, I think the hunter can still crouch with the shield. If u can, then u can go invis and sneak around the ads for a sneak attack but my raid team is serious so I don't have time to test this theory.
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#GUNSLINGDEMSUPPLICANTS
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32 Repliesyeah out of my 3 characters i find the hunter the worst for raid. jumps suck specials suck for raid.
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No. I played a hard raid with three Hunters and three Warlocks. As the only level 30 Hunter, I did the best.
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Edited by FSM Blizzro: 11/24/2014 1:40:10 PMConfluxes, someone goes down on left side. Glance over, 3 Vex bent over sacrificing and a Minotaur on the way. Golden Gun out, 3 sacrifices averted, final shot into the Minotaur to take his shield off. Just enough time to stick him with tripmine as he starts to sacrifice. Final few shots and he's down as well. Shit like that is why we're useful. A Titan could've FoH'd them but it requires getting close and if the Minotaur was too far, game over. Nova bomb might also do the job to be fair, but again, if thing are too spread out it doesn't work. We're also hands down the best at dealing with Supplicants on Atheon hard. EDIT: Save one round of GG for teleport. First 4 oracles are down. Like dude, I've got this. Go get a drink or have a bath, it's fine.
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23 RepliesQ: Are hunters useless in the raid. A: Absolutely.
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The hunter isn't useless but other classes have better supers for the raid
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Every single person that says hunters are useless have never beaten the the templar legit without letting him teleport. Im going to laugh when they patch the templar push and all the rookies start bleeding from their anus. Lol cant -blam!-ing wait.
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For the 2 man raid on hard, one of them was a hunter. The only people that consider hunters useless are the ones that want to cheese the bosses. And those who know nothing about one shotting supplicants.
