Why should they try, really? I will tell you we they WILL try, because millions of copies of this game were sold for $60 to 100 a piece. There is still DLC to deliver, they got our *BLAM* ing money they need to deliver or refund gamers their money.

No company [u]has[/u] to give a refund [u]ever[/u]. This practice is done based on a "better business tactics" model. Go to work for 1 day and get your money back without the hassle. TL;DR- You have no POWER here!

Car companies do when they -blam!- up. Any house hold item that -blam!-s up has to be refunded. Game companies used to refund games if it didn't work on your computer or you were unhappy with your purchase until pirating became common place. Plenty of companies are required to give you your money back regardless of whether they think they did wrong or not. They give that money back or even give you free shit to keep you happy. There are plenty of laws that cover and protect consumers from being taken advantage of in every market but the video gaming industry. While I'm not a fan of regulations, if this miss use and abuse of customers good faith continues it will happen. They've fought regulation so far successfully, but that's over violence in games. Like I said I filed my complaints with the BBB. I'll just have to leave it at that.

Wrong. they do not have to give you a refund just becuae you dont like how the game plays ever.

The gaming industry is to unregulated. Just like the Aliens Colonial Marines debacle a year and a half ago, gamers are constantly being duped and taken advantage of by developers and publishers. It is about time as a society this be brought to light and some oversight be injected in this industry. If a dev/pub markets a game in a certain way and the final product does not turn out as marketed, consumers should be refunded their money. If a game like Destiny comes out and is ONLY online, but has the amount of connecton issues, then that product should not be allowed to be sold until it is in an acceptable state. If a developer has to continually patch a game because there are so many issues or balancing problems then it is not ready for consumption. It is about time consumers get some protection in the gaming industry and if it takes a large class action lawsuit to start the ball roling, I am all for it. Power to the gamers!

Technically if proven that they falsely advertised the game they are by law required to refund the cost of the game. With enough complaints to the BBB an investigation gets started and it goes from there.

There was no false advertizing so no they do not owe anyone any refunds. They never promised everything would be in the game that was shown at e3, they never promised that each console would have full acess to what the other console had ever.

So when they show you on tv a garden hose that scrunches up and they sell it to you and it doesn't do that, that's not false advertising? So they show this game, with a bunch of features that they are super proud of and they joke about and they discuss in depth while they are playing. Then for a year they say nothing. Completely redesign or change a lot of the stuff they explicitly said was awesome and talked about why they wanted it this way. During this year they have every opportunity to say "hey we had to redesign some stuff but we are happy with it" but they don't. Then they place on the package "rich cinematic storytelling." Instead of that we get a bunch of lame cards on the Internet that require you to hunt through out the game to find a bunch of collectables just to get half of the story that they include. They have interviews and vidocs and design panels where they talk about what was in destiny and then half of it no longer exists. Then there is an interview where they explicitly say that there is no difference between the ps version of the dark below and the xbox version, yet now there is exclusives locked behind that. I filed my complaints. And I still play the game, but those are my complaints. All of which are valid. I bought this game based on articles and vidocs and e3 demos trusting that my money was well spent. I feel that it was not. You can say what you want but it's of my opinion I did not get what I was sold. Doesn't change the fact that some elements of the game are good. And there is a good base here but the game they sold me on this is not. Bait and switch? I feel like it is.

There is a difference nothing said at e3 was promised as would be in the game or had to be in the game. So they did not lie at all. People just mistook concept art for actual in game final product art and then expected it to be there when it was never said it would be there. They dont have to come back out and make a new vid saying they had to change anything or give the reaosns why just becuase you and others may want them too. They do not ever have to do that. For what was shown was not ever said was final product and would be in the game at release. riche cinem storytelling does not mean minutes/hours of cgi cutscens with spoken dialogs just becuase that is what you have come to expect because other games did it. Not every game has to tell the story like every other game did. Not their fault if you dont like how the story was done, they never promised the full story in one game all at once from the word go. They do not have to be equal and fair in what each console gets just because you or others think so or want so ever. They have every right to give one console over the other either temp exclusives limited ot time limit before the other gets them or even perm and they do not have to offer any appolgies for doing so either or any discounts on the price of anything either for doing so. Never watch and e3 demo of a game and then expect that game to be exactly what was shown when it is more than year later before it is released. Only fools ever do that. You did get what you were sold for they never promised you that all of taht WOULD be in the game at release no matter what. So no it is not bait and switch or false advertizing at all just because you want to think or claim it is.

So the word Rich has many meanings but the one that fit the best here is: of great value or worth. Cinematic: of, relating to, suggestive of, or suitable for motion pictures or the filming of motion pictures. 2. Filmed and presented as a motion picture. Story: an account of incidents or events. A fictional narrative shorter than a novel. The intrigue or plot of a narrative work. Destiny is a fail. While containing elements of a cinematic story (elements that in the whole don't amount to much of anything really coherent) the story is not valuable or of great worth. The grimoire cards are rich and full of story but not cinematic. Plus they don't really have an over arching narrative they are like an encyclopedia for the word of Destiny. With that all set aside Bungie in interviews on kotaku have stated they know the story is a big complaint and they want to fix it. Cool, but they are fixing it through paid DLC. Making changes to how the story is presented with Eris and new "quests." Destiny didn't even have review copies of the game sent out. Their reasoning? Because we can't populate the servers enough for you. The game creates instances of no more than 16 people. Probably less in the "wild." From the E3 website: E3 2015 is the must-attend event where the video game industry unites to debut, showcase and experience the future of games. If Destinys debut was in 2013 and this stuff didn't make it in I wouldn't have been mad. I know the difference between "check out this cool stuff we could do" that's in a debut. But they were showcasing what their Game [b]did[/b]. Listen to how they talk in those videos. Read the words that are used in their interviews. This is playable, whole sections you could explore. This system does this, that system does that. All of that was said. While they did not specifically say "this will be in the game" they did show us parts of the game that are not there. They told us things in interviews that are not available. Bungie and Activision know that when you bring things to the light, show it publicly. That's as good as a promise. If you say something in an interview, it's as good as a promise. You can apologize all you want. You can live in your world. There is a reason why people are upset. Because of what was showed to them and what they got. Most people with positive attitudes around here will keep their positive attitude. I have a positive attitude towards the game. I still play it on a regular basis. But what I know is the only thing that I'm happy with is the raid on normal. I enjoy it. It's fun to play. But I bought a shell. I cracked it open and there was one of those dried up dying nuts. You know the kind you don't want to eat, but your just so hungry you eat it anyway. Destiny 2 will be Destiny 1 with slightly better graphics and the rich cinematic story we should have gotten in the first game. This game was sold just to meet their contract obligation with Activision. At least that's how I feel about the game. Beside that point, we should be allowed to get our money back. Especially since they don't give us a demo anymore. It used to be that a demo for a game would release a couple months prior to the game. I used to download and make purchases based on my demo experience. But we no longer get that ability. We have to wait on reviews from journalists who could be bought off with swag or we have to make decisions based on interviews/ vidocs from developers and publishers. I should be able to get my Money back if I don't agree with what they said I was getting. I don't care if it's digital or hard case. Especially on any DLC I bought in advance for a game I no longer wish to monetarily support. After all, that's the only way I can tell them I think they screwed up. Besides bitch on a forum that they don't really read. Edit: when I talk about instances I'm referencing they could have easily given out review copies. You never run into anymore than 16 people maximum at any one point in time when you play this game. Another failed reason why format purchase all I had was developer/publisher advertising.

They were showcasing what the game could do, not what it would do at release. Again those were concept ideas flushed out enough that they could be done in the demo but that does not mean they had to or would be in the final product at release. No bringing things to lite is not as good as a promise. A promise is a promise and nothing else is a promise. Showing off possible things does not equate to a promise it will be in the game. Only an idiot thinks in that manner. It was not promised so it did not have to be there just because you expected it to be there. So no lie was done about it not being there later. No saying something in an interveiw is not as good as a promise it never was again only fools think in that manner. Unless they said, "What you see WILL be in the game", then no they did not promise it would at all by any means. Just because you wish to use your defintion of cinematic does not mean they have to or adhere to it to the level that you expected them too ever. The same with your defintion of story or how it was presented. It does not ahve to be in the way you wanted ever. Not every game has to tell a story in the way that you accept and want. The game was not made with just you in mind and how you expected it to be nor was it ever going to be either. the same wiht your definition of rich. They did not ever have to adhere to what you expected of each of those in hwo they mayde the game just becuase you wanted them to or expected them too. No game company does in truth. Not their fault either if they dont. Your fault for not being the smarter consumer and renting the game first before buying. Never pre-buy anything no matter what shiny baubles they hold in front of your eyes ever. The value and worth of the game is subjective to each person. Just because you think it was fail does not mean everyoen else does or will. They do not have to hold to your value of waht the game had to be ever. Tough if you dont undertstand or cannot accept that fact. Their definitions do not have to match yours no matter how much you think they do or should have. They dont ahve to give demo's of games ever just so you can decide if you want to buy or not. No company has to ever do that some choose not but they really dont ever have too. You want a demo.. it's called not buying at launch and renting the game for few days and then deciding. No you are not entitled to your money back just because you dont like how the game turned out in the end. It is your fault alone taht you bought the game and did not rent it first. Not theirs for not meeting all of your expectations in how it had to be according to you.

I have received refunds directly from companies such as EA and Ubisoft as well as Activision for my displeasure with A) the game.. And B) the fact that it did not work or load on my computer. Just because you have not received a refund does not mean the practice has not been done in the past. So we are just making up definitions now of what constitutes rich cinematic story? I mean I used the dictionary, I even admitted on multiple accounts that they have parts but they never fully complete any idea. Nor do they stick to one mode of story telling. It's all over the place. Bungie acknowledges this. You can't apologize for it. They openly acknowledge the story is messed up. No, I didn't rent the game. Shame on me. I watched all the videos prior to release, saw this really cool game set in a sci fi universe made by a company I trusted. So I bought it. You know what other company I bought a game from based on the videos I saw online and the interviews I read? Bioware. You know what game that was? Dragon Age. And as of right now, every video I saw I've seen in game. Every interview about mechanics and systems, is in the game. Funny, it was the same with Advanced Warfare. Or Mass Effect games, I can go on. If you are happy with the game, great. By all means enjoy it. It's quite obvious you have a perspective that won't match my own which is fine. I know what I know. I've seen what I've seen. And I'm no longer trusting Bungie with my money. All I can do in the end. Like I said, I filed my complaints, what happens from here on out is out of my hands. But those industries that give refunds, used to never do that before. Someone somewhere told them they need to. They don't do it out of the goodness of their hearts.

You may have recieved refunds in the past but it does not mean they had to give them to you; they choose too. they were not required to give those to you just beucase you didnt like the game. Only for the fact it was not working would they give it to you. And working is not by your definition of having everything you wanted in the game or what you thought it would have based upon year old vid's. Does not matter if you got those form a dicitonary they do not have to adhere to that meanting of which each mean when they make a game. Dicitionaries are not the law on what words mean and always will mean now and forever. They dont have to fully complete any of the idea's within the first game, for this a franchise taht is slated for 10 years, they do not owe you the full story in the first game ever or in the manner you want or expect ever. They do not have to stick to one mode of storty telling just becuase you want them too. they are allowed to switch up as many different ways as they want if they choose too. they do not have to do the cut-dried and traditional just because you wanted them too. Never blindly trust any game developer or publisher ever no matter what games you have played form them in the past. Only fools do that. For things change, the company changes, the way they do things change. It will not stay the same forever. To expect or think it would is foolish. Nevery pre-buy.. never rush to buy becasue of vid ever, never buy at luach party just becuase your friends are too. Not their fault if you fall for the hype and do any of those things. It is your responsibilty to be the smart consumer, not theirs to hold your hand about it. Just because one company does one way about its demo's, vids, and interviews does not mean every company will or has to ever either. again do not buy blindly based upon vid from e3/youtube/gaming conventions or interviews with the developers espeically if those vids are more than 3 months old before the actual release of the game. Someone did not tell them they had too, they choose to save face with consumers. they were not forced to. yes many do change policy out of the hopes of redeeming themself to the consumer but they dont have to. A company can be advised they should but does not mean they have to or will.

And all you did was restate the same idea over and over and over in all your replies. "They don't have to do this, they don't have to do that." Got it. I've come to expect certain things from from my developers. The problem is that Bungie was that pinnacle. If they placed it in a vidoc or they said it in an interview it's in the game. So shame on me. A company I trusted changed. You and I both know that e3 and vidocs and interviews are free advertising, marketing for a game. Again if you want to discount that and toss it under the rug I can't stop you. I was done with this conversation. I've been done with it. But you just drag this back up over and over just saying, "just because it's your definition doesn't mean it's theirs." Well If we are changing dictionary definitions then just pretend that all these words just magically changed to echo your exact post. You I've said my piece and done my part. I don't need your justification, nor do I need your negative spin on it. Just can't fix stupid I guess.

yes shame on you and yes they changed and should have been expected as well because they changed publishers. No company stays the same after changing publishers in how they work or do business. Again never blindly trust any company ever no matter how many games you have played from them in the past. For things change and do not stay the same forever. e3 is demo showing of graphical capabilities of the game engine, and possible features. e3 is not direct representation of what will be in the game at release ever. It is used to build and see how much anticipation and hype for the game there is, not the companys fault for anyone that falls for it and thinks everything they seen will be in the game at release when was not directly promised it would be. Same goes for any interveiw or gaming convetion vid that is more than 3 months only before release. things can change drastically wtihin that time and no they do not have to come out and tell gamers that it did or why either. No cant fix your level of stupid ever it seems, becuase you fail to ever understand that companies do not have to work or do or advertize only in the manners that you expect or want them to ever. And that it is only your fault for buying the game not theirs for you not taking the time to learn more by renting it first. You and everyone else that claims they lied or was stolen form or ripped off are all the stupid ones that never understand how the gaming company works really but only expect it to work in the manner you want when it never has to ever and most times will not. Your defintion of what a game will be like at launch and what theirs is does not ever have to be the same ever. And most times it will not be if you just believe everuything you see on the internet as truth and how it will be especially when those were released more than 3 months out from actually release date. So yes your fault alone not theirs no matter how you try and spin it.

You are one of those people that has to have the last word huh? You are a special kind of stupid, and it's great that this game is populated and protected like people like you. Who blindly accept what is spoon fed to them, never question why or when did they change this. Why didn't they tell anyone? Why didn't they give out review copies before release? Why does the story only feel half done? But you don't ask those questions. I've never Once said they needed to reveal their whole plot. But they could have completed a sub-plot while still driving an overall story arch. But you don't care about that. You got your kool aid and your gonna sip on it until they give you a little more, then you'll sip on it a little more. I get, I honestly do. So go a head and say the exact same things again, trying to refute me and make me out to be the bad guy. Because I'm unhappy with something I paid for. I'm not the one who's screwed up here. I was lied to. The community was lied to. Whether you want to hold them accountable is up to you. It's been stated in other threads. If you are citing and changing that much of the game within one year of publishing something terribly went wrong. And since its Activision, and they were fighting the royalties issue with infinity ward creators, with some major people leaving Bungie right around e3 your game was gutted so Activision didn't have to pay the people who left. They had every intention of giving you a different game and they gutted it to give you the husk of a game you have now.

[quote]Technically if proven[/quote] He/she never said there was or was n't He/she is just stating a fact.

Truuuuuue. Community: "WE WANT VOICE CHAT!" Bungie: "Okay here you go." Community: "WTF BUNGIE WE SHOULDVE HAD THAT FROM THE BEGINNING!" Community: "NERF THE MYTHO!" Bungie: "Okay.." Community: "TF BUNGIE! BUFF THE MYTHO!" Lol... obviously I'm exaggerating but I get your point haha