totally agree with the OP, got this after finally biting the bullet & getting the PVP part done - and please for any of you like me who spend most of their time in PVE ---- just give it a try! honestly, I just used a blue (rare) shotgun with void damage in clash matches and it took me 4-5hrs (my K/D ratio was fairly crap 0.94). I won't be going back to PVP though... sorry Bungie nice try getting me to dip my toes in but its not for me. I don't have The Last Word or Hawkmoon so can't compare really - But, can confirm the Thorn just feels like an awesome weapon... not sure if its the sound it makes, similar to patience and time (sought of satisfying thud/squelch when getting head shots with it) v v cool. The only weapon I enjoy using more is Super Good Advice and I don't care what anyone says about the accuracy I get to act like arnie for 5 mins and totally mow down fallen + the Super Good Advice perk means pretty much all my missed shots go straight back into the magazine prolonging that 'hosing' of the opposition!