[b]MAJOR UPDATE:[/b]
Deej responded to me calling his attention to this thread in another thread. http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/76633207/0/0
It will probably get buried rather quickly because every time he posts, 1000 replies follow.
Deej
[quote]You weren't ignored. I read that.
The point that Harold was making was that, when someone plays a game for 100 hours, you learn a lot. We've obviously created something you want to play. It's very obvious that you want to talk to us about how it can be better. When we stay focused on game feedback, good things can happen.[/quote]
[b]EDIT: Please read the article I linked to before posting. I have been accused of taking his statement out of context, which I do not feel I did at all, and I want to make sure that no one feels like I mislead them. [/b]
[quote]Harold Ryan: It's so broad. When I read a lot of the feedback, and I see it's after playing for 100 hours, it's hard not to couch that in, well if you played the game for 100 hours... What other game do you play for 100 hours, right?[/quote]
This is not grounds for dismissing our feedback like you suggest. I'm calling you out. What games do we play for more than 100 hours? Since you don't seem to know of any, please allow me and my fellow gamers to educate you.
Fellow Bungie.net users, please feel free to add to this list and/or tweet away @Bungie or @Destiny your ideas about how many other games you can put more than 100 hours into. I'll start.
Morrowind
Oblivion
Skyrim
Any CoD game
Mass Effect 1 - 3 (I logged 400 hours on ME3's MP alone)
Dragon Age
Borderlands 1
Borderlands 2
Any Battlefield game (I personally have logged over 1200 hours between BF3 and BF4)
Any Halo game
Any Guitar Hero or Rockband
Diablo 1-3
Star Wars: KoToR 1 & 2
There are many more. [b]MANY. MORE.[/b]
[u]From responses to the OP:[/u]
1943
2048
Ace Combat 5
Aces High 2
Act Raiser
Advanced Wars series on GBA, DS & emu 2000+ hours over a decade of play
Age of Empires (series)
Aion
Alpha Protocol
America's Army 2
Angband
Angry Birds
Anno 2070 (with and without the A.R.R.C. mod)
APB
ArmA 2 & 3
Assassin's Creed (series)
Baldur's Gate 1 & 2
Batman Arkham series
Battle Cats
Battle chess
Battle of the immortals
Battlefield (series)
Bejeweled
Bioshock 1 and 2
Bladestorm
Bloody roar(ps1)
Blue Dragon
Body Harvest
Borderlands series - I have no clue how long, but long…
Brave Frontier
Breath of Fire
Breath of Fire 3
Buck Rogers Countdown to Doomsday
Burnout Paradise
C9
Call of Money, Black holes II
Candy Crush (LOL!!!!!)
Castle Crashers
Charades
Checkers
Chrono Trigger (SNES, PSX, DS)
Chutes and ladders
City of Heroes/Villains
Civilization III, IV, V including expansions, DLCs and mods
Civilization Revolution (console and app)
Colony Wars 1-2
Command and Conquer
Commander Keen
Contra
Cornhole (Yep, that's right)
Crash Bandicoot
Crimson Skies
Crystal Saga
Curse of the Azure Bonds
Cursed Treasure 2
Dance Dance Revolution (series)
Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight
Darksider 1 & 2
DayZ
DBZ Budokai (series)
Dead Island
Dead or Alive
Deadpool
Dead Rising
Dead Space - I put 100 hours into the first game alone
Defenders of the Crown
Defiance
Demon souls, dark souls, dark souls II - well over 900 hrs
Deus Ex
Devil May Cry
Diablo
Digimon World Dusk
Doom and Doom 2 (oddly not 3)
DOTA 1 And 2
Dr. Mario
Dragon Age
Dragon Realms
Dragon Warrior
Duck Hunt
Dungeon Defenders
Dynasty Warriors 5
E.T.
Earth defense force - any
Earthbound
The Elder Scrolls (series)
Elsword
EVE Online
Everquest
The Evil Within (Just started 2 weeks ago)
Excelsior
Eye of the Beholder Series
Fable series
Fallout 3
Fallout New Vegas
Far cry (including 3 but not limited to 3) - 250 hrs
Farmville
Fate of Resonance
Faxanadu
FIFA
Fight Night Champion
Final Fantasy (any ever made)
Fire Emblem Sacred Stones & Shadow Dragon
FlyFF
Football Manager
Forza (series)
Free Lancer
Freespace 2
Frogger
Gary's Mod +/- 400 hours
Gauntlet dark Legacy
Gears of War (series)
God of War (all)
Golden Sun
G-Police
Gran Turismo 1 & 2
Grim Dawn
GTA series (including Chinatown wars) - 300 hrs
Guild Wars 2
Guitar Hero/Rockband (series)
GunZ online
Half-Life and the games in the Orange Box
Halo (series)
Hang man
Hearts
Heroes of Might and Magic 5
Heroes of Newearth
Hopscotch
Horseshoes (this too)
Hungry hungry hippo
Infamous
Ivan Stewart's baja 1000
James Bond: Golden Eye
James Bond: The World is Not Enough
Journey (Atari 2600)
J-RPG (any)
Just Cause 2
Kingdom Hearts
Kingdom of Amalur Reckoning
Kingdom Rush 1 & 2
Knights & Dragons over 150+ hours(iOS game)
League of Legends
Leap frog
Left 4 Dead
Legend of Mana
Lego Batman
Lego Rock Raiders
Lego Star Wars (all)
Life
Link
Little Big Planet (each of them)
Lord of the Dragons (Roughly 1850+ hours over 2 years)
Lost Odyssey
LOTR: Twin Towers the game (that co-op mode was fantastic!)
Madden games (any especially older versions)
Maple Story
Mario 64
Mario Party (console and portable)
Mario galaxy 1 and 2
Mario Kart 64
Marvel VS capcom
Mass Effect (all) OH MY GAWD YES
Masters of Orion and MOO2
MechWarrior 2-4
Medal of Honor
Medal of Honor: Frontline
Mercenaries 1 & 2 (which I just ironically realized has a better story than destiny, which is sad)
Meridian 59
Metal Gear series
Metro 2033 and last light - 100-125 hrs
Mickey Thompson’s Off Road Racing game (name eludes me)
Minecraft (sheesh does this guy live in a box?)
Minesweeper
Monopoly
Monster Hunter
Monster rancher
Mortal Kombat (series)
Mount & Blade
MUDs (a couple, don't remember the names, easily logged hundreds of hours into both getting to tri av or SAV status)
Mutant League Hockey
Myself
NCAA football (multiple)
Need For Speed (series)
Neverwinter series
Ninja Gaiden
Path of Exile
Perfect Dark
Phantasy Star Online 1 & 2
Pinball (that one that came with windows)
Pitfall
Planescape: Torment
Pokemon (any)
Pong
Pools of Darkness
Pools Of Radiance
Portal 1/2
Punchout
Quebert
Ragnarok online 1 & 2
Rainbow Six 3: Ravenshield
Rainbow Six Vegas
Raptor
Ratchet and Clank: Up Your Arsenal (those guns!)
Red Alert (and subsequent expansions)
Red Alert 2 (and subsequent expansions)
Red Dead - 200 hrs
Red Faction
Resident Evil 5
Rift
Rise of Nations
Risk
Rogue
RUA series(rainbow unicorn attack)
Runescape
Rush N' Attack
Saints Row
Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe
Sega- sonic games, aladdin, jungle book, nba jam
Shadow of Mordor
Shadowrun (Genesis, SNES, and 360)
Shaia
Shin Megami Tensei games
Sid Meier's Pirates!
Silkroad
Sim City
Smite
Snake
Snake Rattle & Roll
Socom games - 300 hrs
Sonic (1 & 2)
Sorry
Soul Caliber series
Soul Edge
Soul Sacrifice
Space Invaders
Spades
Splatterhouse
Splinter Cell series
S.T.A.L.K.E.R series (with and w/o mods) - 1500 hrs at least
Star Ocean 2
Star port
Star Wars
Star Wars KoToR 1 & 2
Starcraft
Street fighter ex plus
Streetfighter 2
Streets of Rage1-2
Super Mario (1-3)
Super Mario 64
Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. All-Stars
Super Smash Bros.
Supreme Commander and its expansion pack Forged Alliance (expansion that actually added shit tons of new content) well over 100 hours each.
Symphony of the night
Syndicate (original)
Taboo
Tales of Vesperia
Team Fortress 2
Tecmo Super Bowl
Tekken
Tera
Terraria
Terror from the Deep
Tetris
The Last of Us
The Legend of Dragoon
The Settlers (series)
The Witcher 1 & 2
Tic tac toe
Tiddlywinks
Tie Fighter
Titanfall
TMNT (arcade version)
Torchlight 2
Total Dark
Toukiden
Trivial pursuit
Twisted Metal
Twisted metal series
Two Dots
UFO enemy unknown
Ultima Online
Vagrant Story
Vendetta Online
Vindictus
Viva Piñata (Yes, really.)
Walking Dead The Game (potentially stretching it here - maybe 50 hours?)
War Thunder
World of Warcraft
Warframe
Warhawk
Watch Dogs
Wild arms
Wing Commander Series
Wolfenstein (the old one)
Wonderboy in Monsterland
World of Tanks
Xcom: Enemy Unknown and the expansion Enemy Within (also omfg yes)
Xenosaga games
X-Wing
Yugioh capsule monster coliseum
Yugioh duelist of the roses
Yugioh Forbidden Memories
Zelda (series)
Zone 66
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Chaos legion, Lost Odyssey, Shadow Hearts. (Had a better story than destiny.)
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Bump for hundred hour justice!
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Had a few more. Freespace 1 Galactic Civilisations 1/2 Dune (Amiga) Turrican 1/2 (Amiga)
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It's odd how a developer would choose to ignore those people that put more time into a game than they possibly could, instead only listening to people that have less experience and more likely know less about the game
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You are an idiot
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Check, and mate.
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Edited by Two Nuhh: 10/31/2014 10:14:03 PMMr. Ryan, 100 hours isn't shit and you know it. I put that kind of time into an old game called Mappy Land for the orignal NES when I was [b]FOUR[/b] f*cking years old. To add to the list (note: these games were played before I hit the age of 6. Each with over 100hrs played) -Mutant League Hockey -Sonic (1 & 2) -Super Mario (1-3) -Tetris -Faxanadu -Link -Contra -Snake Rattle & Roll -Streets of Rage (1-3) -Mortal Kombat And a couple dozen others. That was on the god damned NES (or Sega). Far less advanced consoles... And it's a surprise to you, Mr. Ryan, that negative feedback comes from players with over 100 hours? Admittedly, I have an unhealthy amount of time spent on Destiny. Has some of it been enjoyable? Absolutely. Has the majority of it been spent grinding through the mundane monotony that is Destiny? Sadly, it has indeed. Bottom line is, too much hype for such little content & replay value. Grind for this so you can grind for that. There is no difficulty to the game. There is cheese on every mission, every strike, and it especially plagues the Raid. All of the cheese demeans the purpose and point. The end-game is nothingness. It is when the player decides its the end game because there's no point in continuing on. The grind is for nothing because the loot means nothing- unless you want the game to be even easier than it already is. It takes no skill, no mental capacity to think critically, just time, and lots of it. Oh and luck... a metric f*ck-ton of luck. The artificial level-caps posed by the flawed RNG system... On and on and on. I'm done.
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Marvel VS capcom Dance dance revolution Farmville
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100 hours? I have 15 hours of gameplay and 85 hours of grinding. If I could take all my 500+ unused gunparts and 700+ Hadronic essences I could build a main battle tank and really feel like a legend. Instead i have a Sparrow which seems to be the futures version of a Prius. At least I could do a driveby in a Prius.
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Harold's comment shows how tone deaf Bungie has become. Not a good trend.
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This reminds me of Jay Wilson's comment on Diablo 3. "You don't remember Diablo 2."
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any xenosaga was easily 100 hours with out doing EVERYTHING, kingdom hearts, the legend of dragoon, grand turismo
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Edited by DesPaws: 11/1/2014 3:23:52 AMdeleted
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Edited by Jubei2010: 10/31/2014 11:07:41 PMI played the greatest first person shooter of modern times. Wait for it...wait for it...The Persian Gulf war I and II. Probably over 1000 hours.
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Ultima Online. I've played that for over 16 years now.
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Edited by D4rkFr4g: 10/31/2014 6:00:24 PMI think you're missing the point. Out of all the games you've listed that you've played over a 100+ hours, how many of them did you dislike or hate and still played over 100+ hours?
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[quote]Harold Ryan: It's so broad. When I read a lot of the feedback, and I see it's after playing for 100 hours, it's hard not to couch that in, well if you played the game for 100 hours... What other game do you play for 100 hours, right?[/quote] The vagueness is strong in this one.
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Yeah bungee you butthole!!! 100 hours ain't shit!!! That's only two and half weeks of a full time job! If you went to college likely it's less than two weeks!!! I've logged 200 hours on Skyrim during one Christmas break! And I get laid!! Boom!
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Im willing to bet if I showed my /played in everquest Mr. harold ryan would shit his pants.
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BALDURS GATE 1 & 2. I have gazillion hours playing these two games. Hell im still playing them today!
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YOu forgot zoo tycoon and rollercoaster tycoon
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Harold Ryan: "We're building a sizeable team just to work on the live game. That group is continuing to get better at taking feedback from the community and building on patches and updates to the world." EuroGamer: "Can you speak about any of those game play changes in any detail?" Harold Ryan: "No." Why would they discuss changes to the game with EuroGamer when they don't even discuss them with their own "community"? Stop calling the players your "community" if they don't have any impact on what you decide to release. Stop hiding behind analytics and statistics and pretending like you are using them as the basis for how you plan your day. Harold, you have already decided to hack the game up into bits and pieces that you can sell back to us every other month. You have already decided that if your "community" figures out how to get through that content faster than you can sell it to us then you will drop the hammer, lest we run out of crap to grind and stop for a second to reflect on what a tremendous let down this game is.
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Lmao Suck it Harold
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Edited by N7Spartan: 10/31/2014 8:59:33 PMThe whole thing rather read as a stay on message. DLC has heaps that was worked on for 90 days? Buy it. The Exotic Bounty as insperation for DLC Story has me slightly worried If we're all sent through all the shared content of the DLC the shared strike and the PvP maps to tell the next bit of not explaining why we are doing this, or if there is any progress in victory. I'm not doing Heavy PvP bounties (100 void kills + death offset) But then I'm in excess of 100 hours so this opionion/feedback could be considered as irrelevent to Bungie.
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Edited by N7Spartan: 10/31/2014 9:01:35 PMSo If 100 hours is too much time invested into Destiny to provide unbiased feedback to improve Destiny. Although it's means we've seen more of the overall game provided or examined/experienced bugs and things enough that they are bugs. If they have a 10 year plan that they want us to follow them on, with 8700+ hours in a year. Thats 87,000 hours a single player has access to their Destiny journey. So Bungie would rather us spend less then 100 hours on Destiny for 10 years and then our feed back would be considered valuable for their new IP? I'm Sorry if I replay games because for various reasons I get some of entertainment out of them. Apparently thats inflating my game time past 100 and making me a biased gamer that cannot provide an element of feedback that may contribute improving or evolving their overall product.