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Edited by ColdAtrophy: 11/3/2014 8:02:32 PM
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To Mr. Harold Ryan

[b]MAJOR UPDATE:[/b] Deej responded to me calling his attention to this thread in another thread. http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/76633207/0/0 It will probably get buried rather quickly because every time he posts, 1000 replies follow. Deej [quote]You weren't ignored. I read that. The point that Harold was making was that, when someone plays a game for 100 hours, you learn a lot. We've obviously created something you want to play. It's very obvious that you want to talk to us about how it can be better. When we stay focused on game feedback, good things can happen.[/quote] [b]EDIT: Please read the article I linked to before posting. I have been accused of taking his statement out of context, which I do not feel I did at all, and I want to make sure that no one feels like I mislead them. [/b] [quote]Harold Ryan: It's so broad. When I read a lot of the feedback, and I see it's after playing for 100 hours, it's hard not to couch that in, well if you played the game for 100 hours... What other game do you play for 100 hours, right?[/quote] This is not grounds for dismissing our feedback like you suggest. I'm calling you out. What games do we play for more than 100 hours? Since you don't seem to know of any, please allow me and my fellow gamers to educate you. Fellow Bungie.net users, please feel free to add to this list and/or tweet away @Bungie or @Destiny your ideas about how many other games you can put more than 100 hours into. I'll start. Morrowind Oblivion Skyrim Any CoD game Mass Effect 1 - 3 (I logged 400 hours on ME3's MP alone) Dragon Age Borderlands 1 Borderlands 2 Any Battlefield game (I personally have logged over 1200 hours between BF3 and BF4) Any Halo game Any Guitar Hero or Rockband Diablo 1-3 Star Wars: KoToR 1 & 2 There are many more. [b]MANY. MORE.[/b] [u]From responses to the OP:[/u] 1943 2048 Ace Combat 5 Aces High 2 Act Raiser Advanced Wars series on GBA, DS & emu 2000+ hours over a decade of play Age of Empires (series) Aion Alpha Protocol America's Army 2 Angband Angry Birds Anno 2070 (with and without the A.R.R.C. mod) APB ArmA 2 & 3 Assassin's Creed (series) Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 Batman Arkham series Battle Cats Battle chess Battle of the immortals Battlefield (series) Bejeweled Bioshock 1 and 2 Bladestorm Bloody roar(ps1) Blue Dragon Body Harvest Borderlands series - I have no clue how long, but long… Brave Frontier Breath of Fire Breath of Fire 3 Buck Rogers Countdown to Doomsday Burnout Paradise C9 Call of Money, Black holes II Candy Crush (LOL!!!!!) Castle Crashers Charades Checkers Chrono Trigger (SNES, PSX, DS) Chutes and ladders City of Heroes/Villains Civilization III, IV, V including expansions, DLCs and mods Civilization Revolution (console and app) Colony Wars 1-2 Command and Conquer Commander Keen Contra Cornhole (Yep, that's right) Crash Bandicoot Crimson Skies Crystal Saga Curse of the Azure Bonds Cursed Treasure 2 Dance Dance Revolution (series) Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight Darksider 1 & 2 DayZ DBZ Budokai (series) Dead Island Dead or Alive Deadpool Dead Rising Dead Space - I put 100 hours into the first game alone Defenders of the Crown Defiance Demon souls, dark souls, dark souls II - well over 900 hrs Deus Ex Devil May Cry Diablo Digimon World Dusk Doom and Doom 2 (oddly not 3) DOTA 1 And 2 Dr. Mario Dragon Age Dragon Realms Dragon Warrior Duck Hunt Dungeon Defenders Dynasty Warriors 5 E.T. Earth defense force - any Earthbound The Elder Scrolls (series) Elsword EVE Online Everquest The Evil Within (Just started 2 weeks ago) Excelsior Eye of the Beholder Series Fable series Fallout 3 Fallout New Vegas Far cry (including 3 but not limited to 3) - 250 hrs Farmville Fate of Resonance Faxanadu FIFA Fight Night Champion Final Fantasy (any ever made) Fire Emblem Sacred Stones & Shadow Dragon FlyFF Football Manager Forza (series) Free Lancer Freespace 2 Frogger Gary's Mod +/- 400 hours Gauntlet dark Legacy Gears of War (series) God of War (all) Golden Sun G-Police Gran Turismo 1 & 2 Grim Dawn GTA series (including Chinatown wars) - 300 hrs Guild Wars 2 Guitar Hero/Rockband (series) GunZ online Half-Life and the games in the Orange Box Halo (series) Hang man Hearts Heroes of Might and Magic 5 Heroes of Newearth Hopscotch Horseshoes (this too) Hungry hungry hippo Infamous Ivan Stewart's baja 1000 James Bond: Golden Eye James Bond: The World is Not Enough Journey (Atari 2600) J-RPG (any) Just Cause 2 Kingdom Hearts Kingdom of Amalur Reckoning Kingdom Rush 1 & 2 Knights & Dragons over 150+ hours(iOS game) League of Legends Leap frog Left 4 Dead Legend of Mana Lego Batman Lego Rock Raiders Lego Star Wars (all) Life Link Little Big Planet (each of them) Lord of the Dragons (Roughly 1850+ hours over 2 years) Lost Odyssey LOTR: Twin Towers the game (that co-op mode was fantastic!) Madden games (any especially older versions) Maple Story Mario 64 Mario Party (console and portable) Mario galaxy 1 and 2 Mario Kart 64 Marvel VS capcom Mass Effect (all) OH MY GAWD YES Masters of Orion and MOO2 MechWarrior 2-4 Medal of Honor Medal of Honor: Frontline Mercenaries 1 & 2 (which I just ironically realized has a better story than destiny, which is sad) Meridian 59 Metal Gear series Metro 2033 and last light - 100-125 hrs Mickey Thompson’s Off Road Racing game (name eludes me) Minecraft (sheesh does this guy live in a box?) Minesweeper Monopoly Monster Hunter Monster rancher Mortal Kombat (series) Mount & Blade MUDs (a couple, don't remember the names, easily logged hundreds of hours into both getting to tri av or SAV status) Mutant League Hockey Myself NCAA football (multiple) Need For Speed (series) Neverwinter series Ninja Gaiden Path of Exile Perfect Dark Phantasy Star Online 1 & 2 Pinball (that one that came with windows) Pitfall Planescape: Torment Pokemon (any) Pong Pools of Darkness Pools Of Radiance Portal 1/2 Punchout Quebert Ragnarok online 1 & 2 Rainbow Six 3: Ravenshield Rainbow Six Vegas Raptor Ratchet and Clank: Up Your Arsenal (those guns!) Red Alert (and subsequent expansions) Red Alert 2 (and subsequent expansions) Red Dead - 200 hrs Red Faction Resident Evil 5 Rift Rise of Nations Risk Rogue RUA series(rainbow unicorn attack) Runescape Rush N' Attack Saints Row Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe Sega- sonic games, aladdin, jungle book, nba jam Shadow of Mordor Shadowrun (Genesis, SNES, and 360) Shaia Shin Megami Tensei games Sid Meier's Pirates! Silkroad Sim City Smite Snake Snake Rattle & Roll Socom games - 300 hrs Sonic (1 & 2) Sorry Soul Caliber series Soul Edge Soul Sacrifice Space Invaders Spades Splatterhouse Splinter Cell series S.T.A.L.K.E.R series (with and w/o mods) - 1500 hrs at least Star Ocean 2 Star port Star Wars Star Wars KoToR 1 & 2 Starcraft Street fighter ex plus Streetfighter 2 Streets of Rage1-2 Super Mario (1-3) Super Mario 64 Super Mario Bros. Super Mario Bros. All-Stars Super Smash Bros. Supreme Commander and its expansion pack Forged Alliance (expansion that actually added shit tons of new content) well over 100 hours each. Symphony of the night Syndicate (original) Taboo Tales of Vesperia Team Fortress 2 Tecmo Super Bowl Tekken Tera Terraria Terror from the Deep Tetris The Last of Us The Legend of Dragoon The Settlers (series) The Witcher 1 & 2 Tic tac toe Tiddlywinks Tie Fighter Titanfall TMNT (arcade version) Torchlight 2 Total Dark Toukiden Trivial pursuit Twisted Metal Twisted metal series Two Dots UFO enemy unknown Ultima Online Vagrant Story Vendetta Online Vindictus Viva Piñata (Yes, really.) Walking Dead The Game (potentially stretching it here - maybe 50 hours?) War Thunder World of Warcraft Warframe Warhawk Watch Dogs Wild arms Wing Commander Series Wolfenstein (the old one) Wonderboy in Monsterland World of Tanks Xcom: Enemy Unknown and the expansion Enemy Within (also omfg yes) Xenosaga games X-Wing Yugioh capsule monster coliseum Yugioh duelist of the roses Yugioh Forbidden Memories Zelda (series) Zone 66

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  • 100 hours in Actraiser? I beat that game with nothing left to do in about 10-20 hours if I recall. Along with a lot of the other games on that list. Yes the RPGs can be huge time sinks and I've got literally a year of my life in WoW, so I get that part. I'm pretty sure that he wasn't taking into consideration your 57th play-through or playing multiplayer for 3-6 months. I mean, I've probably sunk 50+ hours into Contra or Street Fighter, but I don't feel like those should be on a list like this (I played those games repeatedly out of teen boredom). The only thing that's keeping destiny going is the grind, for me. There's definitely a lack of side content, I've stopped working on my alts for now, since I'm back in the new WoW expac, but I'm whittling away at one toon. I do look forward to seeing where they go with Destiny. I don't know why they missed the mark at launch, but I think they'll correct things.

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  • Just wanna say there are tons if games on that list that stomp Destiny into the ground. If you're reading this, Bungie, here's a piece of advice: When you tell your fans that you're making something special, you should make it better than the games listed here. Not worse. Not much much worse. God...... It's bad

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  • "Harold Ryan: If you look at the service we built behind Destiny, [u]there's nothing from our point of view that would stop you guys from playing together[/u]. Technically, actually there are reasons why an Xbox and a PlayStation can't play together. [u]Anyway, the characters are all in a common back end.[/u]" I found this interesting. So our character data isn't platform specific. There's a deal behind the scenes that disallows Bungie from porting your characters over across different platforms... This makes NO sense to me. Isn't it Bungie's decision? I understand not PLAYING across platforms, but character importing comes from Bungie. It's not like Microsoft is holding all of your xbox Bungie accounts information so it CANT go to your play station account... Silly corporate non-sense. That was all off topic. On your topic of story, I agree. It's beyond thin. I've played many of the games on your list for >100 hours. I was shocked that Mr. Ryan still referred to the story of the main game as "thematic." Wow. I just re-watched the first encounter with Sovereign from Mass Effect 1 on youtube last night. Turned the sub woofer up and cranked it. It's the stuff of nightmares. His voice. Oh my god his voice... That, is AAA story telling. I then watched the reaper fight and dialogue sequence after Shepherd fights a reaper on the ground. Cinematic battle. Cinematic dialogue. I peed a little, again. Can't wait to fire that game up again! 100s of hours buried in that universe.

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    • Thank you for posting that article, although I feel dumber for reading it lol. The interviewer kinda sucked. He kept going on about how everyone complains about the story and doesn't address any other problem. In the beginning he actually says that destinys other activities more than make up for the story! What other activities??? In my mind the strikes are just extensions of the story missions. Raid is just more complicated but largely similar to a mission. I mean really these are just all the same thing with a different name. And there's not many of them. Then you have crucible and patrol. First off these things weren't a surprise and are both limiting in a number of ways (Too few crucible game types, invisible walls everywhere, boring patrol gameplay). Everything about how bungie presented this game before launch led us to believe that we could compare this game to the ones on this list here in the OP. Add their terrible form of RNG in there and you have a train wreck. Ol Harold needs to stop denying that and stop implying that players are being unrealistic to have expected an insane amount of content compared to what they got.

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    • Tic tac toe easily the best one

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    • Dishonored. I played through that game at least three times just to find different endings.

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    • I guess this thread hasn't died yet, so since all the other games I've sunk 100+ hours into are listed already, how about one I've honestly probably put 1000+ hours into? It's a little gem called Rifts: Promise of Power. It was an N-Gage exclusive (yea, go look it up if you don't know what it is) but it was definitely the best game that ever came out for that failed platform. In fact, it might be the best "mobile" game that's ever been made, period.

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    • Gear of War 1-3 Id be a rich man had I worked for all the hours I devoted to those games

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    • Oh man I've put thousands of hours into Tera. I could literally stay on a bridge and do nothing but chat and be entertained. Good times.

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    • How about Dark Souls 1 & 2 each have enough content to log 250 hours each.

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      • This video that follows is the most well thought out and articulate denunciation of the lies Bungie told over Destiny, and their sad attempts to sweep it under the rug. EVERY Destiny player should see/hear it ASAP! : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ5BpeHVTWY&list=PLLeN1O8-rQ0iXwoDP66i0LKprtdwzte7V

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        • Damn, This post.... A for effort, too bad the teacher just ends up not grading the paper anyways.

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          • Awaiting response.. Therefore... Bump

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            • Is this list really necessary? Are you offering anything constructive or is your goal to refute one thing that he said during that interview?

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              • 3000 hours on dungeon defenders 1... before dungeon defenders eternity was released. Lol

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                • Edited by TwoSizesTooSmall: 11/3/2014 6:01:52 PM
                  I've sunk more hours into Socom than I care to remember. I mean, it must've been at least 300 hours for each game in that franchise (aside from Socom 4). Final Fantasy XI would be another one, and I definitely played Dark Souls and Demons Souls for more than 100+ hours each. Skyrim as well. Any addictive multiplayer game is easily susceptible to a 100 hour time burn. Same goes for any full fledged RPG. He should realize and know too that if someone is stuck with a $60 purchase, most will try to enjoy it as much as possible...even if it feels empty or didn't leave a good impression. I felt that exact way with Socom 4. I hated how that game was the nail in the coffin for that franchise, but dammit, I tried to like it. I also felt that way with a couch(which was 10x more expensive) that I bought a few years back. Ended up giving it away after 6-7 months cause that shit was just wrecking my back. Dark Cloud, Dark Cloud 2, Jet Force Gemini, Super Smash Bros., Mario Kart, Mario Party, Zen Pinball...the list goes on.

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                  • I think I logged more time into dragonvale, clash of clans, and Simpsons tapped out than I will be on destiny.

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                    • I logged 27odd days on CoD4 when I was in college. Age of Wonders: 1, 2, and ShadowMagic Stronghold: 2, and Crusaders Dark Souls GtaV Rollercoaster Inc. Skyrim(I know some of these have been listed, but I probably have over 1000 hours in Skyrim over 3 builds)

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                    • Okay I've been playing destiny will since it came out and it's a shame that you have to only have a raid armor to get to level 30 that's not fair to the other player who can't find a good team or keep getting everything but raid armor if you want to be the best you need options like story mode level 30 armor equal status but something different all I know is that the new year is coming an you guys are stuck on multiplayer progress then single hey Bungie this is not halo I got this game BC of the rpg aspect an the time an effort that I put in I should be level 30 so maybe I can enjoy the next class of character psn: Kingwoody2066

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                    • Bumping so -blam!-ing hard right now.

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                    • As iv said, continuing to bump You dont mess with gamers

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                    • Vagrant Story. Oh how that game sucked me in.

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                      • Halo reach, currently at 6700 game you do the math. That's not including firefight/campaign time. Also I've logged stupid amounts of time into skyrim, wow and gw2 I think I've even logged more hours into Lol and I barely play it. Also timings for games are an inaccurate way of measuring how much people play the game because it's easy to Afk.

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                      • Edited by xPandoras x8ox: 8/3/2016 4:52:33 PM
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