I love you. This post is exactly what I think all of the time. And if anyone said it didn't count because they weren't having fun...that's just stupid. If you aren't having fun don't play it...

addictive gameplay, nor forceful grinding gameplay does NOT reveal the quality of a game, nor the VALUE of said game. i have over 500 hours in QWOP, does that mean the game is uber good, or worth 60 bucks? nope, the amount of time one spends ina game doesn't mean a goddamn thing, stop trying this defense for this game, the fact is, bungie -blam!-ed the player base, they lied and failed to deliver, they refuse to acknowledge their screwups, they relentlessly shit on xbox users though this bullshit ps exclusivity bullshit.

To all the children who have turned the Destiny forums into a giant bucket of tears I say this- Go read the EULA

Preach! Every time I see a tread bitching about content it's a guy with 200+ hrs of play time. I don't know about you but when I don't like a game...I stop playing it.

This is a dumb statement. People paid to play this game all year long so your logic is BS. We paid to play a game during our free time and not have to worry about BS like getting kicked right at the end of a match. I'm not even going to go into all the other garbage there doing to this game but I will say this. This game has AWSOME potential and when all the bugs get fixed I think it will be a great game. But until then people have every right to complain about paying whatever amount of money for this game and Bungie needs to get there shit together!!

I posted this response in a similar thread and thought it fit well here too. It doesn't matter that a movie is about the same cost as the expansion because it is comparing apples and oranges. That is like saying no one should ever complain about the price of a movie compared to getting a lapdance because that is 20$ for three minutes. It's nonsensical. $50 for an MMO expansion is the real comparison because it is the closest comparison in the industry. For most games that covers months and months of content, new worlds and regions to explore, new levels and talents, new items, new PvP etc etc. So the reason people are complaining and feeling slighted is because it is well below the market norm. They have good reason to complain, and should continue to do so. It's important that the market speak its mind. This game has a fun base, but most people were starved for content within a week or two. It was released bare bones with DLC only two months out. Even then, no new planets, only 3 missions, limited PvP modes, etc, etc. In addition to that, players on XBox pay the exact same amount for less content? That is ridiculous. I am on the playstation, but you must see how wrong that is? It shows that all they care about is a pricepoint timeline. Not value provided. That shows a lack of care for the gamers themselves. Not all of bungie naturally, but those making these financial decision. The first DLC should have been free to make the game feel more complete. Then people would have felt better. Don't get me wrong. People do need to provide constructive feedback, speak with their wallets, and critically think about the amount of enjoyment they get for the money, but the analogy that most people use about the cost of a movie is a bad comparison. If that is a fair comparison then you can just as easily say that the cost of a movie is far too expensive. It should cost $.40 total since you can get 100 hours out of a video game that costs $20 setting the price at $.20 an hour for entertainment. This is more about feeling like you got your monies worth, and although this is exceptionally designed and a strong base, it locks in execution, delivery, and content. I personally don't feel like I got my monies worth. At the same time, and to play devil's advocate, try to remember this. World of Warcraft was $60 for vanilla and $15 a month. Even at a discounted rate of $10 a month, which never happened, that would mean it cost you $180 a year to play. If Destiny is competing in the same genre then in order to charge that amount ($60 for the game and then $20 every two months for a total of $180) then I am going to want to see new worlds, maps, PvP modes, subclasses, weapons and armor, MANY more missions, and the world around me evolve and grow as the story develops, etc etc because that is what other developers are providing for the same price.

this is the theory i post to all the whiners too. The funny thing is that most of them have more like 300+ hours. I think i have only put that much time into 2 games ever. final fantasy 7 and skyrim. and you edit made me lol. I dont know about all of you, but if im not having fun playing a game, I DONT PLAY IT!!!!! ......idiots......

This doesn't work. Dollars divided by time is not enough. It needs to be dollars divided by [i]quality[/i] time (which is still wholly unreliable, though it is more reliable than the vanilla dollars/time. If that fraction of quality time is larger than the fraction of non-quality time, then it's worth it if that "$/quality time" quantity is very low. Unfortunately, games which artificially increase their length through excessive grinding don't always score high on the metric 'quality time,' and Destiny certainly falls into this category for some folks.

I divide most stuff up by 2 bucks an hour under that is even better most video games it's worth it. Dlc is 99% uncharted 3 didn't play enough. Or maybe bio shock infinite. Plus for physical games you can always sell get some money back.

divide the cost of your food by its caloric content. Never mind flavor or health implications. Playtime is not a perfect measure of the value of a product.

This is the wrong way to analyze it. Just because you use what you have doesn't mean you're totally thrilled and love it.

How do I check my playtime? People always check playtime of mine and user it against me but I can't check.

Interesting formula. Can you add a variable for quality?

If you think you aren't getting your money's worth, consider this. $60 = $1249199.92 Vietnamese Dong [spoiler]Yes, I know about the conversion rate...[/spoiler]