The last few Raid runs I've done, I'll tell people at the Templar fight we're doing this fight straight up. Each time I've had level 28's and 29's with Raid gear ask, "So how does this Templar fight go? I've always pushed him off the edge." At Atheon, they don't know how to get through the gates consistently or how to help out the Relic carrier with the Venus gate Pretorian. People complain that it's hard to do the Raid? Learn how to push I guess. In Bungies next update they should rename [b]Vault of Glass Raid[/b] to [b]Vault of Glass Push[/b].