Someone was suggesting that the Raid LMG "Corrective Measure" must be equiped to avoid the effects of the Gorgon's gaze. Also, the raid gear LOOKS like vex and is made from the pieces of vex... what about full raid gear making you invisible to gorgons? Like a disguise?

Something that I have not confirmed but might be the cause. So the 5th chest should spawn if the Templar does not teleport. We prevented him from teleporting but the chest was not there. I know I got there in the time limit. I don't know if it is confirmed now if Vex being sacrificed on the conflux part or opening the spirit bloom chest affects the chest. The thing I believe might cause it to not spawn was someone took the "correct" route out from Templar to the Gorgons. Anyone know if this is true? This might prove the alt route to Templar.

Just as a chest shows up when the Templar does not teleport, is it possible for one to show up if Atheon is defeated without teleporting anyone? According to this video, the Defender's suppressor grenade prevented Atheon from teleporting team members.

So there is a platform above the templer when its infront of the door. I was thinking if u could manage to get above the templar and kill it by shooting downwards at it during the coflux part. mabye that could lead to somthing?

I need some help figuring out what this grimoire card means Ghost fragment: vex: ESI: Maya, I need your help. I don't know how to fix this. SUNDARESH: What is it? Chioma. Sit. Tell me. ESI: I've figured out what's happening inside the specimen. SUNDARESH: Twelve? The operational Vex platform? That's incredible! You must know what this means - ah, so. It's not good, or you'd be on my side of the desk. And it's not urgent, or you'd already have evacuated the site. Which means... ESI: I have a working interface with the specimen's internal environment. I can see what it's thinking. SUNDARESH: In metaphorical terms, of course. The cognitive architectures are so - ESI: No. I don't need any kind of epistemology bridge. SUNDARESH: Are you telling me it's human? A human merkwelt? Human qualia? ESI: I'm telling you it's full of humans. It's thinking about us. SUNDARESH: About - oh no. ESI: It's simulating us. Vividly. Elaborately. It's running a spectacularly high-fidelity model of a Collective research team studying a captive Vex entity.  SUNDARESH:...how deep does it go? ESI: Right now the simulated Maya Sundaresh is meeting with the simulated Chioma Esi to discuss an unexpected problem. [indistinct sounds] SUNDARESH: There's no divergence? That's impossible. It doesn't have enough information. ESI: It inferred. It works from what it sees and it infers the rest. I know that feels unlikely. But it obviously has capabilities we don't. It may have breached our shared virtual workspace...the neural links could have given it data... SUNDARESH: The simulations have interiority? Subjectivity? ESI: I can't know that until I look more closely. But they act like us. SUNDARESH: We're inside it. By any reasonable philosophical standard, we are inside that Vex. ESI: Unless you take a particularly ruthless approach to the problem of causal forks: yes. They are us. SUNDARESH: Call a team meeting. ESI: The other you has too. START OF THE SECOND CARD** SUNDARESH: So that's the situation as we know it. ESI: To the best of my understanding. SHIM: Well I'll be a [profane] [profanity]. This is extremely [profane]. That thing has us over a barrel. SUNDARESH: Yeah. We're in a difficult position. DUANE-MCNIADH: I don't understand. So it's simulating us? It made virtual copies of us? How does that give it power? ESI: It controls the simulation. It can hurt our simulated selves. We wouldn't feel that pain, but rationally speaking, we have to treat an identical copy's agony as identical to our own. SUNDARESH: It's god in there. It can simulate our torment. Forever. If we don't let it go, it'll put us through hell. DUANE-MCNIADH: We have no causal connection to the mind state of those sims. They aren't us. Just copies. We have no obligation to them. ESI: You can't seriously - your OWN SELF - SHIM: [profane] idiot. Think. Think. If it can run one simulation, maybe it can run more than one. And there will only ever be one reality. Play the odds. DUANE-MCNIADH: Oh...uh oh. SHIM: Odds are that we aren't our own originals. Odds are that we exist in one of the Vex simulations right now. ESI: I didn't think of that. SUNDARESH: [indistinct percussive sound] START OF THE THIRD CARD** SUNDARESH: I have a plan. ESI: If you have a plan, then so does your sim, and the Vex knows about it. DUANE-MCNIADH: Does it matter? If we're in Vex hell right now, there's nothing we can - SHIM: Stop talking about 'real' and 'unreal.' All realities are programs executing laws. Subjectivity is all that matters. SUNDARESH: We have to act as if we're in the real universe, not one simulated by the specimen. Otherwise we might as well give up. ESI: Your sim self is saying the same thing. SUNDARESH: Chioma, love, please hush. It doesn't help. DUANE-MCNIADH: Maybe the simulations are just billboards! Maybe they don't have interiority! It's bluffing! SHIM: I wish someone would simulate you shutting up. SUNDARESH: If we're sims, we exist in the pocket of the universe that the Vex specimen is able to simulate with its onboard brainpower. If we're real, we need to get outside that bubble. ESI: ...we call for help. SUNDARESH: That's right. We bring in someone smarter than the specimen. Someone too big to simulate and predict. A warmind. SHIM: In the real world, the warmind will be able to behave in ways the Vex can't simulate. It's too smart. The warmind may be able to get into the Vex and rescue - us. DUANE-MCNIADH: If we try, won't the Vex torture us for eternity? Or just erase us? SUNDARESH: It may simply erase us. But I feel that's preferable to...the alternatives. ESI: I agree. SHIM: Once we try to make the call, the Vex may...react. So let's all savor this last moment of stability. SUNDARESH: [indistinct sounds] SHIM: You two are adorable. DUANE-MCNIADH: I wish I'd taken that job at Clovis. Please elaborate. It definitely involves the raid. Parts of it deal with no urgency to leave.. I think that has to deal with the no automatic return to orbit after defeating atheon.. so there must be more to that.. Idk. I'm not good at deciphering things like this so I'm seeking help.

Is it possible to have the Gorgons chase you and cause them to run into each other? Not sure if this happens normally (I've only been in the raid a few times), but kind of like "crossing the steams" from Ghostbusters? Maybe things go haywire?

Think back to halo 3 where you had to jump through the seven rings to find the hidden skull. Now look to the jumping platforms and discover what has yet to be claimed guardian

Don't forget Bungie tweeted that the true prize of the vault of glass has not been found yet

When you port , you are basically Atheon's spawn in a different time phase. There has to be something in there!

soooo i have read ALOT of this post... and i keep seeing things about the plates... and portals etc... but im not seeing much to comment on the first portal.... and by that i mean when you first start the VOG where the spire is there is that "broken" gate... i know it a public area, and im pretty sure someone mentioned not being able to make it back outside... but i was curious if anyone has done any investigating?

Well on the Grogon grimoire card is states, "Until a countermeasure can be found, Guardians must avoid their gaze at all costs - or reply to any detection with immediate, overwhelming force." So my thoughts are there is a countermeasure (possibly a relic-shield) before or in the labyrinth. And that could be linked to one of the chests.

destiny wiki only has 5 chests on there mayb there is not a 6th or 7th chest.. just my thought

Perhaps it is greed keeping rhe secret of extra chests. Has anyone tried going through the raid after the reset without opening a single chest?

I just had an idea that pertains to the portal located in the jumping challenge. Bungie wanted the challenges to be done as a team, so what if there are 3 different ways to reach that portal. 1way per class. And everyone meets at the portal after going each different way that pertains to there class. Or everyone takes the same way but as a team you would make sure each platform was touched. Anyone want to add to this theory, that portal has to be something and the jump challenge has to have something to do with it

Just want to point something out in the gorgons maze. Everytime someone has been immune to the gaze in my group they had the corrective measure equipped. Coincedence or glitch? Not sure - has anyone tried this with all 6 have corrective measures equipped?