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Bungie: An Open Letter From A Concerned Player

Bungie, I am becoming exasperated with you. I had been looking forward to Destiny since it was unveiled. It was the amalgam of social FPS and persistent world that I was looking for. Okay so that's not was delivered. Nothing apart from your personal stats and inventory persists. The game mechanics are solid and my friends and I had been having fun so I decided to stick with it & give you the benefit of the doubt because of your history of producing games that I have thoroughly enjoyed. You have asked for feedback and [b][u][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Clan/Post/289707/72793837/0/0]I have been providing it constantly[/url][/b][/u] in an effort to try to help improve what feels like a 75% complete game at drop. Your players have dealt with two DDoS attacks along with other ongoing network/server issues. There have been PSN/XBL service issues that are not your fault & I understand that. What I cannot understand is how you are simply ignoring your players. Last week you nerf'd ARs, shotguns, the Vex Mytho & some other weapons in the name of balance, PvP balance. Your players provided you constructive criticism for a week outlining that there needs to be a wall between the PvE and PvP weapon and armor values tables. Agree or disagree I have not seen anywhere where you even acknowledge the suggestion. The weekly update contained a vague & ambiguous statement about balance. However the sentiment of your quest for balance is faulty [u][b][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/74011798]which I tried to illustrate to you yesterday.[/url] [/b][/u] I am not arrogant enough to think I deserve an individual response to all of my criticism but when so many people agree on certain points Bungie should feel an obligation to respond to the community at large. We are largely against the changes being made to the 3rd phase of the Atheon fight, especially considering that[u][b] [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/74011798]this "bugfix" has been prioritized over fixing actual issues with the raid[/url][/b] [/u] like the gates & how the shield sometimes just doesn't work. We've all provided you feedback on [b][u][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/73315432]how to improve the PvE[/url][/u][/b] and [b][u][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/73324418] PvP experiences[/url][/b][/u]. We'd like to see inventory management improved. We'd like to see loadouts due to the Exotic Weapon restrictions. We'd like to see a way to apply ammo synthesis quickly without having to go two levels into a menu. Many people would like to see an opt in proximity chat, better matchmaking for PvE events and overall improved social features. If you are considering these options, great. You have to tell us. We know that "prox comms are coming". That's about it. There are buckets of other criticisms involving the lack of depth in the story, the failure to hook players into the world & the lack of delivery on promises concerning our ability to customize our Guardian to be uniquely ours. People are not happy about having to go to a website to dig into the lore. The grind of the game through 5 strikes & the same repetitive bounties is wearing on many. There are also more concerning accusations regarding what future DLC content was withheld behind a paywall (if any was). True or not those accusations are dividing your community badly. I have done what I can by providing the feedback you've requested. [b][u][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Clan/Post/289707/72793837/0/0] I've even indexed my feedback for you[/url][/b][/u]. What stings is that Bungie does not appear to be hearing its players. We get one blog post a week where your Community Liason Deej plays funny. This comes off condescending to many of us due to the pile of issues we would like to see responses from Bungie on. Please, respond to some of our ideas. Positive or negative... respond. Respond with more than "keep on giving that feedback" when people ask for raid matchmaking. You are, as of today, one week away from seeing many of your Crucible players find the airlock when CoD drops. Right now I cannot blame anyone who shelves or sells this game because of the failure to deliver on the advertised promises let alone the inability of Bungie/Deej to provide meaningful responses to valid criticisms and suggestions for improvement of our game. I am personally sticking with you just a little while longer but while I was initially an ardent supporter of Bungie, Destiny, & your DLC pay model I am now on the fence. [u][b][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/74028519]What comes with The Dark Below[/url] [/b][/u] will be my progress check with you. If you have not heard us by then and provided us with clear path and timeline for when some of these needed improvements will come, I will sadly move on. I know I am not alone. Please start respecting the voice of your players. We understand you had a vision but sometimes you have to put the hubris aside and realize that the vision has to change. Many of us are tired of posting to a wall that no one with the power to make changes seems to be reading. Respectfully //Ozman51 (anyone who agrees please bump this post in addition to a Like to keep it on the top of the forums for others to read, thanks) [b]Edit: 10/21/14 12:10p ET[/b] - I just wanted to say thanks to everyone for their support and to those of you who have offered comments for largely keeping the tone civil and for generating good side discussions. Keep on bumping, liking and commenting. I have been trying to reply to as many people as I can. I truly do appreciate your input and criticism. [b] Edit 2: 10/22/14 11:25am ET[/b] - DeeJ posted in the main Destiny forum yesterday directly "On Community Feedback". I believe this post from him was motivated by negative reaction to his coverage of a 3rd party website in lieu of addressing real issues but some had suggested that he was talking about this post as well and as such I felt inclined to [b][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/74433726/0/0/1]write a reply[/url][/b] to him.
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  • Necrobump. Raid match making is a bad idea since Bungie [b]still[/b] has no method to getting weeding out AFC players in strikes, but overall I agree with your post.

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    • Edited by Tyrdok: 1/4/2015 6:33:32 PM
      Bump. I agree with some of the points.

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    • Bump. #voiceofthepeople

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    • Bump.... And I'd like to know your thoughts on TDB a couple-few weeks in....by my reckoning, some significant hotfixes changes need to be coming down the pipe to give this game any sustainability...more customization, HotKeys for consumables, more content (more queens wrath and other PVE events, more iron banner too with top tier armor...that's just to name a few...

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    • Bump

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    • Agree!

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    • Bump. Two weeks of playing and already Im bored with PVE and the constant grinding for mats etc. (Insert ghost.. kill waves .. find new place to insert ghost... rinse and repeat). Exotic weapon quests are a joke.. 25 strikes to get a juju.. seriously? *yawn* Can't be bothered making another class as I will have to endure the non-skippable cutscenes again and I dont have the stomach for it. Didnt particularly enjoy them the first time thank you very much. Is it so hard to add a skip button? Sometimes it's the small things that make a big difference. PVP is fine enough but with the disconnect and lag issues it is losing it's appeal. Still getting Zebra and other assorted animal error codes on a daily basis. Perhaps populate zones with wildlife so we can vent our frustrations in a graphically violent manner? The game looks great, but sadly it seems as though looks over substance may have won out. Like others have said... all that money spent . On what? Have played far more engaging games before that cost a fraction to produce. Perhaps there is some secret DLC to come that will astonish us with its complexity, innovation and beauty? .... Fingers crossed the potential that Destiny has isn't wasted.

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    • Bump

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    • Bump!!

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    • Bump

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    • BUMP. Keep it going people.

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    • Bump for the "Voice of the People"

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      • Bump. I am a PvE player and what you have expressed sums up much of my disappointments with this game. I find the PvP Crucible full of teams out for maximum kill and as loner player most times I find there is little point doing PvP bounties as my stats and confidence get blasted. Sure many learn the know how to get the required kill count... eventually. It occurs to me they should separate the fireteam clan battles from lone players into separate arenas. They should also have more personalised bounties to the player. There are plenty of stats they have of each person on the server. They could even have the player decide which faction to fight or collect kill bounties for a week to earn a special faction award. This game lacks so much. With Mass Effect 3, there was story. There was investment into the characters and setting. The co-operative play although limited on locations built friendships and experience. They had challenges for players to strive for like levelling certain weapons or killing a certain number of enemies. Halo 4 had many good things with co-op play and roaming ability. But PvP are an a again drove me away. Destiny is fast approaching a swamp sinkhole of disappointments. Return the fun and sparkle that was promised.

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        • Agree. Bump!

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        • Bump. Thank you for taking the time to write a civil, coherent post.

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        • Bump! This game may not be what many folks expected or what they felt was promised, but there is vast potential for improvement and a great gaming experience. They have created an incredible world that looks amazing. Now they need to reverse their George Lucasian error of 'it looks great, but there's no story to really care about'. If Bungie delivers on the narrative goods, and listen to the folks who post well thought out feedback, there is Hope. I very much hope they do right by their fans. This game could totally amazing with some very simple adjustments and development. Spending time time tweaking auto rifle damage by 2% is not where they need to focus their energy and attention. There needs to be more to do then grind away for spinmetal. There need to be more/better vendors for higher level players. There needs to be a point/outcome to joining Future War Cult vs. Dead Orbit. There need to be regular small updates to the environments so that the world steadily evolves based on what players are doing (or not doing) in game. This list goes on and on... Hopes and expectations are high, and Bungie is in the hot seat, I personally believe they can surpass everyone's hopes and dreams. I very much hope they prove me right. -Thrawn

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        • [quote]Bungie, I am becoming exasperated with you. I had been looking forward to Destiny since it was unveiled. It was the amalgam of social FPS and persistent world that I was looking for. Okay so that's not was delivered. Nothing apart from your personal stats and inventory persists. The game mechanics are solid and my friends and I had been having fun so I decided to stick with it & give you the benefit of the doubt because of your history of producing games that I have thoroughly enjoyed. You have asked for feedback and [b][u][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Clan/Post/289707/72793837/0/0]I have been providing it constantly[/url][/b][/u] in an effort to try to help improve what feels like a 75% complete game at drop. Your players have dealt with two DDoS attacks along with other ongoing network/server issues. There have been PSN/XBL service issues that are not your fault & I understand that. What I cannot understand is how you are simply ignoring your players. Last week you nerf'd ARs, shotguns, the Vex Mytho & some other weapons in the name of balance, PvP balance. Your players provided you constructive criticism for a week outlining that there needs to be a wall between the PvE and PvP weapon and armor values tables. Agree or disagree I have not seen anywhere where you even acknowledge the suggestion. The weekly update contained a vague & ambiguous statement about balance. However the sentiment of your quest for balance is faulty [u][b][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/74011798]which I tried to illustrate to you yesterday.[/url] [/b][/u] I am not arrogant enough to think I deserve an individual response to all of my criticism but when so many people agree on certain points Bungie should feel an obligation to respond to the community at large. We are largely against the changes being made to the 3rd phase of the Atheon fight, especially considering that[u][b] [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/74011798]this "bugfix" has been prioritized over fixing actual issues with the raid[/url][/b] [/u] like the gates & how the shield sometimes just doesn't work. We've all provided you feedback on [b][u][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/73315432]how to improve the PvE[/url][/u][/b] and [b][u][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/73324418] PvP experiences[/url][/b][/u]. We'd like to see inventory management improved. We'd like to see loadouts due to the Exotic Weapon restrictions. We'd like to see a way to apply ammo synthesis quickly without having to go two levels into a menu. Many people would like to see an opt in proximity chat, better matchmaking for PvE events and overall improved social features. If you are considering these options, great. You have to tell us. We know that "prox comms are coming". That's about it. There are buckets of other criticisms involving the lack of depth in the story, the failure to hook players into the world & the lack of delivery on promises concerning our ability to customize our Guardian to be uniquely ours. People are not happy about having to go to a website to dig into the lore. The grind of the game through 5 strikes & the same repetitive bounties is wearing on many. There are also more concerning accusations regarding what future DLC content was withheld behind a paywall (if any was). True or not those accusations are dividing your community badly. I have done what I can by providing the feedback you've requested. [b][u][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Clan/Post/289707/72793837/0/0] I've even indexed my feedback for you[/url][/b][/u]. What stings is that Bungie does not appear to be hearing its players. We get one blog post a week where your Community Liason Deej plays funny. This comes off condescending to many of us due to the pile of issues we would like to see responses from Bungie on. Please, respond to some of our ideas. Positive or negative... respond. Respond with more than "keep on giving that feedback" when people ask for raid matchmaking. You are, as of today, one week away from seeing many of your Crucible players find the airlock when CoD drops. Right now I cannot blame anyone who shelves or sells this game because of the failure to deliver on the advertised promises let alone the inability of Bungie/Deej to provide meaningful responses to valid criticisms and suggestions for improvement of our game. I am personally sticking with you just a little while longer but while I was initially an ardent supporter of Bungie, Destiny, & your DLC pay model I am now on the fence. [u][b][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/74028519]What comes with The Dark Below[/url] [/b][/u] will be my progress check with you. If you have not heard us by then and provided us with clear path and timeline for when some of these needed improvements will come, I will sadly move on. I know I am not alone. Please start respecting the voice of your players. We understand you had a vision but sometimes you have to put the hubris aside and realize that the vision has to change. Many of us are tired of posting to a wall that no one with the power to make changes seems to be reading. Respectfully //Ozman51 (anyone who agrees please bump this post in addition to a Like to keep it on the top of the forums for others to read, thanks) [b]Edit: 10/21/14 12:10p ET[/b] - I just wanted to say thanks to everyone for their support and to those of you who have offered comments for largely keeping the tone civil and for generating good side discussions. Keep on bumping, liking and commenting. I have been trying to reply to as many people as I can. I truly do appreciate your input and criticism. [b] Edit 2: 10/22/14 11:25am ET[/b] - DeeJ posted in the main Destiny forum yesterday directly "On Community Feedback". I believe this post from him was motivated by negative reaction to his coverage of a 3rd party website in lieu of addressing real issues but some had suggested that he was talking about this post as well and as such I felt inclined to [b][url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/74433726/0/0/1]write a reply[/url][/b] to him.[/quote] BUMP this game (for me atleast) has been a MASSIVE let down. We were lead to slice that this game was GOIN to be a deeply immersive cinematically driven story. What we got was 4 cut scenes 4 "worlds" I use the word world reaaaallllly loosely as all 4 worlds are 1 big circuit with nothing interesting to do or see. The customisation is poor. The weapons are near enough all the same. The classes are very similar. my main gripe is the fact that we've got spaceships to use but can't actually use them. There's no weapon diversity. Why can't we use the alien tech or capture aliens and their tech to research to tailor and create our own weapons. This is Bungie who gave us halo and now gives us a knockoff of halo/borderlands and fails on nearly all levels. I mean come on this game took 5 years and $500 million to make. My question is l,what the happy horse SHYTE did they spend that money on? And why were so many promises broken? I'm going to keep the game as I reckon within a few months Bungie will realise how badly they dropped the ball as they're customers continually drop off and they'll release the DLC for free. "Deej" doesn't read these but if he did I doubt he'd write back as so many people are pissed at the lack lust shower of Shyte that is Destiny and he's facing an upwards battle up a mountain surrounded by pissed of purchacers of destiny.

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        • I agree with most everything here. It truly does seem like all bungie is doing is putting the players on the back burner. The "fixes" they do are ether way to much of an over correction on something few have complained about (in comparison to other topics, lack of story, customization extra.) or a ongoing teaser of a line saying "coming soon" with no real comment to ever fixing what needs to be fixed. But all and all I agree with this post. Bungie please fix what needs to be fixed and stop only listening to pvp.

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        • Bump, you took my thoughts on this game and made it sound intelligent

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          • I agree with all of this. You were able to sum up everything I've been getting a bad gut feeling about and wrote it in a very intelligent non whining way that invites everyone to read and enjoy. If these issues are not addressed soon I may be moving on to SoM soon.

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          • You are entitled to your opinion but I must say - he does not speak for ALL the community. I for one disagree with a few points you make.

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          • Bump bump!

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          • This was really thought out well and I appreciate that someone has voiced my concerns in such a manner. I haven't played Destiny for a week or two now. My reasons for doing so include the fact I do not know many Destiny players so I can't do weeklys or dailys, I don't know enough players to do the raid, and PvP is a skill I have yet to develop. Many a time I've realized the other players are the headlights and I'm the deer. I hope the the first piece of DLC will be substantial enough to get me to start playing again. There's potential here and it makes me sad that they haven't fully embraced it. Also I'd pay money to punch that dumb Queen's brother in his dumb face.

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            • 500 replies with 99% approval and still no bungie response huh?

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