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Edited by ScarletShinobody: 10/20/2014 11:50:54 PM
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This grimore card speaks on a few theories as to what [b]The Nine[/b] could be. [b]Ghost Fragment: Legends 2[/b] [spoiler]The Nine are survivors of the cis-Jovian colonies who made a compact with an alien force to ensure their own survival. The Nine are deep-orbit warminds who weathered the Collapse in hardened stealth platforms. The Nine are ancient leviathan intelligences from the seas of Europa or the hydrocarbon pits of Titan. The Nine arrived in a mysterious transmission from the direction of the Corona-Borealis supercluster. The Nine are the firstborn Awoken and their minds now race down the field lines of the Jupiter-Io flux tube. The Nine are Ghosts who pierced the Deep Black without a ship and meditated on the hissing silence of the heliopause. The Nine are the aspects of the Darkness, broken by the Traveler's rebuke, working to destroy us from within. The Nine is a viral language of pure meaning. The Nine are the shadows left by the annihilation of a transcendent shape, burned into the weft of what is.[/spoiler] I think this grimoire ( [b] Legends 2[/b] is overlooked. I noticed that it has nine descriptions of The Nine and it interested me to do a little research. Here's what I may have come up with as to answers: (I will address each paragraph as X.9, X representing the paragraph in the grimoire) 1.9 Mentions the cis-Jovian colonies, the cis-Jovian are the celestial bodies or planets before Jupiter that orbit the sun- Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars. These colonies made a compact with an alien force which could be no other than the Traveler in order to survive, meaning humanity paired with the Traveler. 2.9 this is self explanatory as the war minds were created sometime after the discovery of the traveler. 3.9 This one is a little tricky and could be complete speculation. It mentions of leviathan intelligences coming from the moons Titan and Europa which in reality may be able to host life on the surface in their seas. I researched leviathan (but already knowing it resembles a monstrous or godlike sea creature) and the term is also referred to whales. The only lead/link I could make to this was that the Fallen use ships called "Ketches", which is a term used for a sea vessel. Upon the discovery of the fallen humanity may have interpreted their existence with that of equal magnitude of leviathan(s), and "intelligences" implies to many characteristics of our own humanity the fallen show through their command structure and multiple houses. 4.9 The Corona Borealis cluster is the constellation of stars that form a crown, which in Greek mythology is to be believed the crown given to Dionysus wife, who was the daughter of King Minos of Crete. Crete is the location of the Labyrinth which was home of the Minotaur. This could be the origin of the vex as they remained mysterious and they're transmission may imply a frequency in which robots could translate, and furthermore be the description of the Vex's time travel/teleporting. 5.9 The awoken live in The Jupiter-Io flux tube, which is a magnetic field that exists between Jupiter and one of its moon. This could give explanation to the reef and as to why all the rubble and destroyed clutter is stuck in the reef. 6.9 this one I couldn't get too far with as to why the Ghosts would travel so far and sit on the edge of our solar system. The heliopause is a boundary of protons that orbit our sun and thus signifies the edge of our solar system, hence the "Deep Black" title once that boundary is crossed. EDIT: it could signify the extent of how far the Traveler's light can travel, rendering the ghosts from continual functionality as they sit still(meditate) in the "Deep Black" 7.9 The darkness is something that is not approved by the traveler and it works to destroy us from within. The only connection I could make to this is the Chamber of Night mission where you disrupt the hive's ritual of killing the light of the Traveler with a piece of itself. This is possibly the main tactic the Hive use to fight the traveler, and again this paragraph may be referring to the Hive's existence and involvement with The Nine. 8.9 This is a fat speculation but the "viral language and pure of meaning" statement didn't give much for me to lead on. My only connection is the involvement of the Exo's. The Exo's role in humanity was to keep our history and in the midst of The Collapse/Dark Age something happened to them and our history was lost. I believe "viral language" may mean history itself, as it is everlasting and continually to be discovered and taught to a civilization. Humanity as well as the current Guardians/Vanguard in the tower are working to uncover unanswered questions and spread this "viral language" But it was "pure of meaning" that I mainly made the connection with history based on the background of the Exo's. History is facts after the present, meaning they don't change and will remain constant, or "pure". History is also used to learn from humanity's past mistakes, implying that it is used to remain in pure direction or intent(meaning). 9.9 the annihilation of a transcendant shape, which may refer to the death of the Traveler. But shadows may imply something was left behind in the wake of this annihilation. Although this would imply The Nine is from another time dimension. "burned into the weft of what is" I translated as the all the previous mentioned points in The Nine maybe a cumilnation of all of them post the annihilation of the traveler. I don't really have any connections to this speculation, but could Xur be a cumilnation of all the existences in whatever The Nine's dimension is? Thanks for the food for thought and I hoped others have more to add!
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  • Okay i put the link in, thanks for your help, If you find anything else feel free to tell me or just post it yourself lol.

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  • Edited by nkklllll: 10/21/2014 3:12:46 AM
    These statements can't be taken together (they are incompatible). This is in the "legends" category. This takes the form of many people saying what they have heard the Nine to be. Here's why: it references that the Nine are ghosts. Well, ghosts didn't exist until the dark age, so they cannot be "survivors" of cis-Jovian colonies. If they are survivors of something, they can't be a transmission from outside of that area. Etc. these are ALL stories that I'm sure we're transcribed at some point.

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  • That only works if they are describing 1 entity, thry are describing the 9 races that make up the council of the 9 if you like

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  • But they are describing the 9 together. It doesn't say "one of the 9." It says "the 9 are ghosts" "the 9 are transmissions." It's stating what they ALL are. While there are 9 statements, each one refers to multiple entities.

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  • Because the 9 are a consortium, so the warminds are the 9, the leviathens are the 9,the ghosts are the 9 etc. If you catch on there is 9 species that are described and the consortium is called the 9, what the fragment is doing is describing the 9 diffrent people of the 9

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  • Once again: doesn't fit. The language doesn't fit. If it were "a consortium" it would say "one of the nine is a ghost who saw the edge" or whatever. None of them say that. It says that the entire group is one thing. The entire group is ghosts, or the darkness, or something else. Not to mention, ghosts and agents of the darkness wouldn't be working together. Nor would the warnings, if what the grimoire implies about them is true.

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  • Not really, the grimiore cards refers to the being 1 thing and implies there unity i.e they are 1 consortium of races and not individual races scatterd around the cosmos. Theres also other quotes that talk about the keepers of a thousand planets that calved them up between them

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  • I meant what the grimoire implies about ghosts and warminds. Ghosts are infused with light so why would they work with agents of the darkness?

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  • See i take the word light and dark very cautiously, if you turn the light off in your living room dose it soon become an evil place because its dark? Or is it more safe when the lights on? Its all perception and the problem with that is it can be manipulated. Ive said it before but i see it like this, dont look at it like every were the travaler is light, look at it like every were the travaler has been is in darkness. What if the travaler for all the technology and knowledge he gives races he takes somthing ellse?, only the speaker would know the actual deal and he has his face coverd could just be a servent of the travaler him self, the ghosts are just fragments of the travaler shaped in to dinklebots so they too obey the travalers will.

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  • Here's the problem: light and dark are polar opposites. Darkness is defined as "the absence of light." So yes, our perception on which is good or bad may change, but by definition they can coexist in the same place. Because they are opposed, they could not be working together in the 9

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  • But that comes from your prejudice to the light, what if light=bad and dark=good in this pretext. I.e if 9 diffrent races think the travaler is bad and only the travaler thinks the nine are bad doesnt the law of probability dictate that the travaler is bad?

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  • So 9 races, at least 1 one which is supposed to be something the traveler created, and according to you, is a servant of the traveler. So. Once again, we come to the conclusion that these people wouldn't work together. I never said that light must be good. I only said that light and dark are fundamentally opposed to each other. This is basic science, and basic storytelling. Since they are opposed, a servant of one will not work with a servant of another.

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  • Not really, you dont know how they parted on terms good or bad?, an who did he create? The warminds i dont think apply to rasputin

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  • Edited by nkklllll: 10/23/2014 5:05:25 AM
    The traveler created the ghosts. And if what a couple people have theorized about Rasputin (based on the grimoire), he would be the last warmind. And, he doesn't seem to like the fallen, or the darkness. So again, why would he work with them toward any goal? And, when who are with who? The ghost don't part with the traveler, and if you're right that one of the people is an agent of darkness, the there you go. Two members of the 9 directly opposed to each other's ultimate agenda. From how the 9 are spoken of in the grimoire and in game, they are unified in their pursuits. A ghost, warmind, and agent of darkness would not be unified in their pursuits.

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  • What im saying is the warminds the grim card is talking about aren the warminds of earth i.e rasputin. I think they are much older and are from the out circle of planets any ways so they wernt of human creation, i didnt take the ghost as a litteral sence of the word i took it as in a 'ghost' story telling, like the stranger could be described as a ghost because she moves between the shadows making contact when she needs to. Intresting you bring rasputin up with helping the fallen, can you remember the dust palace mission?, in it rasputin how i saw it locked you out and wouldnt open the doors so you could help defeat the cabal who were attacking, i saw it as he was trying to keep you out aswell as the cabal. Also when you took the satalite array back rasputin doesnt communicate with us again why? If rasputin is on our side why dose he avoid us? Why doesnt he open the doors for us to help, i think rasputin isnt helping for a reason and gaurdians arent actually human any more were zombies with a travalers light power source if you will

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  • Edited by nkklllll: 10/23/2014 2:11:30 PM
    I think it's pretty obvious guardians aren't human (since some of them are awoken and exos). And why wouldn't you think the warminds in the grimoire are the same warminds we've heard about in the game (which weren't all confined to earth by the way). And you're reading too much into the writing. Stories are consistent in what words they use, and how they use them. The word "ghost" in destiny is only used to refer to the servants of the traveler who bring dead people back to life to fight as guardians. So why would you interpret it as anything else in this case? Plus, "ghosts" is even capitalized in the legends grimoire card, signifying that it is not the "general sense" of the word.

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  • I dont think its that simple as you see it but i could be wrong, thats the joy of open ended storys, they just need to add to the main vanilla body of story to make it work

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  • I'm not sure about 9.8 being history. I think if you were to look around you would quickly discover that history is not "pure" but open to interpretation. History isn't merely the repetition of facts but the ways in which humans interpret and manipulate these facts. Also, history is far from "everlasting" or there would be no unanswered questions in history. Tbh though, I was left with all questions and no answers when I read the card, so who am I to cast stones at your interpretation? Hopefully all the speculation will eventually be cleared up by Bungie, because I find the nine to be very intriguing.

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  • Yeah it was honestly a ballpark speculation. I couldn't really interpret anything from 9.8 so it was really hard for me to derive any clues. I agree that history is also our interpretation of the facts and that it could not be pure, but we also determine how we interpret "pure". By the "everlasting" part I didn't really know where I was going because I was in a rush, but I didn't mean that all of history's questions would be answered or always answered. I was just trying to make the point that once we interpret the facts of history that is what humanity comes to accept as forever in time. Except that's contradicted by the fact that in destiny most of the history humanity had is lost. I think that I'm mainly trying to express that I interpreted 9.8 had some sort of intent(pure meaning) but may have been lost or erased even after being described as a "viral language"

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  • Edited by PerthLord: 10/21/2014 2:49:29 AM
    Leviathan intelligences could be the Ahamkhara, then again they are supposed to be dragon like so probably not, also i don't think the Nine are in another dimension it think it all takes place in this one world, they seem to be beings that live out in the Darkness somehow adapted to it, the Vex are the only ones to possess such knowledge of time travel and possibly dimensions. (not to sure)

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  • I was going to say the same about the leviathan... the bible described it as the dragons from the sea, they could be the Ahamkhara that supposedly were extint and knew things that anybody knows (as descript on the card "The Great Ahamkara Hunt").

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  • Edited by Laviathons: 10/21/2014 3:16:05 AM
    leviethan was my brother i consumed him fighting the darkness i am the laviathons the intelligent now

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  • Thank you for this post. I wish I could add it in our or something but it's to big.

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  • https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/74138447

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  • I can post it in the forums and you can link it in OP if you'd like.

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